You might as well suggest two children killed Jamie Bulger.

It really is revolting, isn't it, mass media, even to suggest such a thing?

My girlfriend lost her virginity at 13 to a lad older than her she told me his performance was very poor glad I'm younger than her.

What worries me is the way this case is being used to call for major changes in the law, suggesting that alleged victims should be even more protected before it has been established that they are victims. It's not as though 13 year olds never lie or never engage in sex.

Children are sometimes sexually precocious but it is not an excuse to take advantage of them.
I suspect that it was mentioned to explain that the defendant thought that she was much older?

honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
Children are sometimes sexually precocious but it is not an excuse to take advantage of them.
I suspect that it was mentioned to explain that the defendant thought that she was much older?

it's also not a reason for those children to re-write history when they hit 50 (and some bills come in) and scream "historic abuse rooned my life"

yet Spain, Italy, etc are far more realistic and 13 can be quite legal..Japan ?..13 age of consent.

I've asked so many people to explain how one is a 'pedo' in one country and not in another...yet to get a sensible answer.

When will the battle begin for the EU to demand equal age of consent ?

Our fine Prime Minister says "the victims must come first" but is far too superficial to realise who the "victims" sometimes are. This "sweet child" perhaps?

www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/07/br...child-murders-family

JK2006 wrote:
Our fine Prime Minister says "the victims must come first" but is far too superficial to realise who the "victims" sometimes are. This "sweet child" perhaps?

www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/07/br...child-murders-family

Sir James Savile one day but could be anyone the next : clueless politicians condemning others (including their colleagues) to false claims

www.smh.com.au/world/sydney-leathers-fro...-20130808-2riab.html

"When Anthony Weiner's latest sex scandal broke last month, 23-year-old sexting partner "Sydney Leathers" was painted as the latest naive girl manipulated by a powerful politician. Leathers thought that she and Weiner were "in love", gossip site The Dirty reported. The two "spoke on the phone daily" for six months. "Weiner played with her emotions and mind." The Dirty branded Weiner a "sexual predator". Leathers was his victim"...This week, Leathers took to xoJane to reverse the narrative. "I enjoy my sexuality, and it doesn't make me anything other than what I am: a young woman who's enjoying her life to the fullest and going on plenty of adventures with willing partners," she wrote.

Saint Mark lambasted someone last night for tweeting that the age of consent be lowered to take into account puberty.
MWT told them "I hope u don't have children or grandchildren. In fact u should not have contact with any child ever"

JK2006 wrote:
Our fine Prime Minister says "the victims must come first" but is far too superficial to realise who the "victims" sometimes are. This "sweet child" perhaps?

www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/07/br...child-murders-family

He is right that the victims (including both families) should come first, but you have to establish if there is a victim, and if there is an attacker, and you need a robust defence and prosecution to do that.
It is all a back door way of removing our right to a fair trial. Likewise the loss of freedom of speech is dressed up as troll-busting.

hedda wrote:
honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
Children are sometimes sexually precocious but it is not an excuse to take advantage of them.
I suspect that it was mentioned to explain that the defendant thought that she was much older?

it's also not a reason for those children to re-write history when they hit 50 (and some bills come in) and scream "historic abuse rooned my life"

yet Spain, Italy, etc are far more realistic and 13 can be quite legal..Japan ?..13 age of consent.

I've asked so many people to explain how one is a 'pedo' in one country and not in another...yet to get a sensible answer.

When will the battle begin for the EU to demand equal age of consent ?

It is all to do with culture and nothing to do with biology.
In the sixties and seventies it was called "making a fool of yourself with a young girl/boy" (drink driving and walloping children was ok too) and it is abhorrent to create a crime/victim fantasy from something that was accepted as normal at the time.
Anyone doing the same thing now is knowingly breaking the law, and is aware that it is unacceptable in society, so quite a different situation, I think.

Chris Retro wrote:
Saint Mark lambasted someone last night for tweeting that the age of consent be lowered to take into account puberty.
MWT told them "I hope u don't have children or grandchildren. In fact u should not have contact with any child ever"

He is a very arrogant man and has insulted half of Europe.

Steve Moxon: It's anything but "inappropriate" to point out a girl's sexual experience and predatory nature

stevemoxon.blogspot.co.uk/2013/08/its-an...-to-point.html#links

Jim wrote:
Steve Moxon: It's anything but "inappropriate" to point out a girl's sexual experience and predatory nature

stevemoxon.blogspot.co.uk/2013/08/its-an...-to-point.html#links



The fact that the "child" may enjoy it does not mean it is the right thing for the child, and even a child who approaches an adult for sex is still abused if he or she is taken advantage of.
Children are often sexually precocious but it shouldn't make them fair game. (and the same applies to vulnerable adults)

The case in question is not historic, and I cant think of any mitigating circumstances except perhaps ignorance of the child's age.

honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
Jim wrote:
Steve Moxon: It's anything but "inappropriate" to point out a girl's sexual experience and predatory nature

stevemoxon.blogspot.co.uk/2013/08/its-an...-to-point.html#links



The fact that the "child" may enjoy it does not mean it is the right thing for the child, and even a child who approaches an adult for sex is still abused if he or she is taken advantage of.
Children are often sexually precocious but it shouldn't make them fair game. (and the same applies to vulnerable adults)

The case in question is not historic, and I cant think of any mitigating circumstances except perhaps ignorance of the child's age.

yet much of the world disagrees with that view as just the quickest perusal of Age of Consent laws on Wikipedia show : that many countries have a 13/14 age or even 'puberty' and the only restriction is whether cohersion is used.

I find the sexual mores of the UK (and USA and to a lesser extent Australia where sunshine seems to evaporate a lot of hysteria) and which is summed up in the case of MWT quite frightening now.
In fact MWT is the epitome of evil, a dangerous and ruthless man and I think probably with true clinical socipathic tendencies :ie- he is never wrong, he will destroy many around him for the sake of ambition and so on.

However he doesn't seem very intelligent, cunning yes, and will become a victim of his own ruthless ambition.

Isn't it absolutely obvious that some children have evil aspects, some don't, that the world tends not to provide finite definitions, that there can be innocent children and predatory ones, killers and saints - just like anything?

That's what disturbs me; we have become such a simplistic society that even intelligent commentators fall for the extreme slogans.

And sex appears to be the area where the British are worst affected. Other races and countries (like the USA and Australia - mentioned by Hedda - and Russia - mentioned by Stephen - and some quite ghastly regimes like the ruling fundamentalist Islamics in Iran) have hangups and oddities but the obsession with sex seems to have permeated us Brits since the Victorian era (were we different before that?).

JK2006 wrote:
Isn't it absolutely obvious that some children have evil aspects, some don't, that the world tends not to provide finite definitions, that there can be innocent children and predatory ones, killers and saints - just like anything?

That's what disturbs me; we have become such a simplistic society that even intelligent commentators fall for the extreme slogans.

And sex appears to be the area where the British are worst affected. Other races and countries (like the USA and Australia - mentioned by Hedda - and Russia - mentioned by Stephen - and some quite ghastly regimes like the ruling fundamentalist Islamics in Iran) have hangups and oddities but the obsession with sex seems to have permeated us Brits since the Victorian era (were we different before that?).

I just can't see how child protection has anything to do with sexual hang ups or arresting people thirty years after an (often non) event or greed for compensation and attention.

To deny that children can do bad things is to deny that they have free will and personality. Anyone can become mean and nasty if it is encouraged, but nobody is born evil.

honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
JK2006 wrote:
Isn't it absolutely obvious that some children have evil aspects, some don't, that the world tends not to provide finite definitions, that there can be innocent children and predatory ones, killers and saints - just like anything?

That's what disturbs me; we have become such a simplistic society that even intelligent commentators fall for the extreme slogans.

And sex appears to be the area where the British are worst affected. Other races and countries (like the USA and Australia - mentioned by Hedda - and Russia - mentioned by Stephen - and some quite ghastly regimes like the ruling fundamentalist Islamics in Iran) have hangups and oddities but the obsession with sex seems to have permeated us Brits since the Victorian era (were we different before that?).

I just can't see how child protection has anything to do with sexual hang ups or arresting people thirty years after an (often non) event or greed for compensation and attention.

To deny that children can do bad things is to deny that they have free will and personality. Anyone can become mean and nasty if it is encouraged, but nobody is born evil.

"child protection" is a complete sham. Obviously all those so-called charities and the MWTs of the world are miserable failures as they solve nothing and prevent nothing from happening ( and I seriously question their obsession with the subject).

Politicians have crossed a line aided by ghastly newspapers (ie : the revolting Sun which promotes sex abuse and then condemns it)..they now attempt to mould society into something it can never be : that one day a person is 'illegal' and following their birthday at the stroke of mid-night, they somehow become 'legal' - this is sheer madness.

By rights no-one should drive a car until they are well into their 20s (18/19 year olds still have an 'invincible' belief that no harm can come to them)...and so on.

The obsession with sex is the sign of a sick society.

I find none of this obsession in most Asian countries.

WARNING! This video starts with what looks awfully like a middle-aged pervert leering at online images.
Is this what "hiding in plain sight" looks like?

www.youtube.com/user/MWT579

Chris Retro wrote:
WARNING! This video starts with what looks awfully like a middle-aged pervert leering at online images.
Is this what "hiding in plain sight" looks like?

www.youtube.com/user/MWT579

sorry but that bloke oozes creepiness.

I was once cruised very aggressively and purposefully by a young boy, who I would have guessed was no more than 13yrs. I was not, and am not attracted to 'children' and ignored his advances and got away from him, but the whole experience really shocked me. I was not shocked by the fact that he was gay, but that he was so aggressive and yes, predatory at such a young age.