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#101994
In The Know (as always)

well worth reading before deciding on Syria 11 Years, 10 Months ago  
The public should never be asked for an opinion ... they do know have the knowledge or understanding to comprehend the possible dangers.

They cannot - for obvious reasons - have seen ANY of the classified intelligence.

They simply reject what they do not want - war !

Churchill had the same problem in the 1930s.
Despite years of (his) warnings, the "public" largely ingored him UNTIL it was almost too late.

He was eventually brought in to "salvage" the damage which the appeasers had done (in May 1940). It worked - but only just !

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Question: Why use chemical weapons?

Answer: Because you want to get the job done fast.

Nerve agents and other battlefield chemicals are an area weapon. Be it town or trench where your enemy is hiding, your deadly gas will find them.

From the waterlogged northern European plains of World War I to the arid mountains and marshes of the Iran-Iraq conflict, chemical weapons have been used when armies get bogged down and commanders get frustrated.

When the urge to win outweighs warfare's cold calculus of routine slaughter and indignity, the danger is a slide into the depravity of craven criminality.

Adolf Hitler used them in his extermination camps, diabolical in his annihilation of his enemies. So when I heard from two separate sources close to Syrian President Bashar al-Assad's thinking that he planned to retake the country's largest city Aleppo in a "swift battle of high causalities" so he could go to peace talks in Geneva with "facts on the ground" in his favor, the use of chemicals in Damascus' suburbs against resurgent rebels made sense.

As told to me, the Syrian army hoped by mid-August to have control of Homs, and by early-September to be wrapping up victory in war-ravaged Aleppo.

In late-July, following June's strategic victory in Qusayr of cutting rebel supply lines, Assad's ambitions to get the country back in his control were on the rise. But two things happened, rebels attacked Alawite stronghold Latakia on the coast, temporarily distracting regime forces.

The Latakia thrust was soon repulsed but not without shaking Assad's new found confidence. Second and more worryingly for him, rebels in the capital, loosely termed the "Damascus Brigade" by one regional source involved in supplying them with weapons and honing their fighting skills, were becoming a serious irritant.

For over a year loose-knit bands of rebel fighters have nipped at the regime's Achilles heel, Damascus, with little strategic effect. Always a pressure point on the regime's military resources, the capital has the potential to distract the leadership.

By mid-August, better-trained and better-equipped rebels were threatening to throw the regime off its agenda and stall strikes on Aleppo. A quandary for Assad, what should he do? The heat was no doubt turned up on his Damascus commanders: get results to free assets for the north.

Into that walked the U.N. chemical weapons inspectors. The rest seems to be history.

edition.cnn.com/2013/09/07/world/syria-c...index.html?hpt=hp_c1
 
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#102026
In The Know (as always)

Re:well worth reading before deciding on Syria 11 Years, 10 Months ago  
I see Russia now want all Syrian weapons (chemical weapons) put out of harm's way !!!

Is Russia a joke?

They have done everything possible to prevent a serious discussion at the UN and are clearly frightened of losing their ONLY ally in the Middle East (and also their ONLY port in the Middle East) !!!

(Much) too little - far too late.
 
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#102043
hedda

Re:well worth reading before deciding on Syria 11 Years, 10 Months ago  
Five Acts of Terror Since 9/11. By the People We Chose to Protect Us.

1. War Terror

It started with our leaders comparing notes on Iraq:

Cheney 08/26/02: There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction.
Cheney 09/14/03: We never had evidence that he had acquired a nuclear weapon.

Powell 02/05/03: Iraq today has a stockpile of between 100 and 500 tons of chemical weapons agents.
Powell 09/13/04: I think it's unlikely that we will find any stockpiles.

Bush 05/29/03: We found the weapons of mass destruction.
Bush 10/08/04: I wasn't happy when we found out there wasn't weapons.

In the first Iraqi war, two air missions per minute were conducted over 43 days, with the equivalent of seven Hiroshima bombs dropped on a largely defenseless country. Much of the slaughter was caused by "dumb bombs" that fell on civilian areas. U.S. troops attacked retreating Iraqi soldiers with cluster bombs and napalm as American pilots, adopting metaphors such as 'turkey shoot' and 'fish in a barrel,' conducted target practice from above. Some Iraqis were buried alive by bulldozers that spread tons of sand over them.

In the end, at least 190,000 Iraqi lives were destroyed in a war that cost over $2.2 trillion. A Johns Hopkins study puts the tally much higher, with an estimate of 650,000 Iraqi deaths.

www.commondreams.org/view/2013/09/09-1
 
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#102048
In The Know

Re:well worth reading before deciding on Syria 11 Years, 10 Months ago  
Hello hedda !

Stopped sulking yet?

Tell you what ... if you want to start a subject I'll let you win one of our battles - just so you feel better?

btw - You are STILL confusing two entirely different situations in two entirely different decades !

One DIDN'T have WMD - the other DOES (and has already proved it by using them, and is threatening to use them again and again unless it gets its own way) !!!!
 
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#102077
Inside Track

Re:well worth reading before deciding on Syria 11 Years, 10 Months ago  
Before, during, and since, amateur ITK's boring,lengthy rants.

Mid-East expert Galloway succinctly stated:

" Britain introduced chemical weapons to the middle east in the first place, dropping gas on the 'uncivilised tribes' of Iraq in the 1920s and wondering in parliament “what all the fuss was about. Does anyone believe that the foul dictatorships of the Gulf - like Saudi Arabia - wouldn’t give the Syrian rebels some of their chemical weapons? Especially if the purpose was to draw the big powers into the war? Does anyone believe that a Syrian rebel army whose vile atrocities abound on YouTube wouldn’t use them, for the same purpose? And now we await another Muslim country under murderous bombardment by the last people on the planet whose motives are trusted by anyone in the Muslim world - the USA. "

www.votegeorgegalloway.com/2013/08/parli...r-war-vote.html#more
 
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#102083
Re:well worth reading before deciding on Syria 11 Years, 10 Months ago  
I wish there was an "idiot's guide to Syria" that I could read.
I cant make head nor tail of it, so I am grateful for all the different views here.
 
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#102117
In The Know

Re:well worth reading before deciding on Syria 11 Years, 10 Months ago  
honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
I wish there was an "idiot's guide to Syria" that I could read.
I cant make head nor tail of it, so I am grateful for all the different views here.


Here's a starter, honey! -

"U.N. human rights investigators said on Wednesday Syrian government forces had massacred civilians, bombed hospitals and committed other war crimes in widespread attacks to recapture territory from rebels this year.

uk.reuters.com/article/2013/09/11/uk-syr...dUKBRE98A0DG20130911

..... and you can read what a nice chappie Assad's brother is, too -

"The younger brother of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, Maher al-Assad is described by analysts as someone even more ruthless than Bashar.

"Maher is the kneecapper. He is in charge of keeping the regime in power," said Joshua Landis of the University of Oklahoma.
It's a role he seemingly relishes. One analyst who has been in meetings with Maher described him as wearing a dark suit, sunglasses and slicked-back hair: a "Mafia wanna-be."

"This fellow thinks of himself as the family enforcer," said Ted Kattouf, a former U.S. ambassador to Syria.

edition.cnn.com/2013/09/10/world/meast/s...index.html?hpt=hp_c1
 
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#102338
In The Know

Re:well worth reading before deciding on Syria 11 Years, 10 Months ago  
honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
I wish there was an "idiot's guide to Syria" that I could read.
I cant make head nor tail of it, so I am grateful for all the different views here.


Here's the weapons inspectors' report in full, honey!

interactive.news.sky.com/PDF/Syria%20UN%...weapons%20report.pdf
 
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#102340
Pattaya

Re:well worth reading before deciding on Syria 11 Years, 10 Months ago  
In The Know wrote:
honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
I wish there was an "idiot's guide to Syria" that I could read.
I cant make head nor tail of it, so I am grateful for all the different views here.


Here's the weapons inspectors' report in full, honey!

interactive.news.sky.com/PDF/Syria%20UN%...weapons%20report.pdf


There never was any doubt about what happened,the doubt was who did it,and providing proof.
 
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#102381
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Re:well worth reading before deciding on Syria 11 Years, 10 Months ago  
Pattaya wrote:
There never was any doubt about what happened,the doubt was who did it,and providing proof.

But more importantly the two types of rocket used - a Russian-supplied 140mm system and especially the larger 330mm weapon of unknown origin - are significant since according to both Human Rights Watch and a number of independent arms experts - these are weapons that have only been observed in use by Syrian government forces during this conflict.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-24130181

The rockets - that delivered the gas - were only ever used by the Assad regime.

www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/reports/syria_cw0913_web_1.pdf
 
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