But can it be too much to hope that Jobcentre staff carry out more stringent checks on those with little or no record of paying national insurance than on those who have paid into the pot over many years?

Just looking at someone's employment record is often a good indicator of how much supervision will be required during an ensuing job search.

For many people drawing the dole is a rare interruption to an otherwise unblemished working career. Mr Duncan Smith must have a care not to make life more difficult for such people than it needs to be.

www.express.co.uk/comment/expresscomment...ers-from-the-skivers

sensible maybe but hopelessly out of synch with the pace of modern society.

"But can it be too much to hope that Jobcentre staff carry out more stringent checks". Yes it can because they will not have the time nor capacity to carry out such checks on even a fraction of those registered as unemployed.

Old fashioned muddled ideas that will not work and ignore the rapid change happening that makes the Industrial Revolution look like a picnic.

Until we get politicians and their supporters (not naming names but the initials ITK come to mind ) who understand and plan for the future , all is lost.

hedda wrote:
sensible maybe but hopelessly out of synch with the pace of modern society.

Yes it can because they will not have the time nor capacity to carry out such checks on even a fraction of those registered as unemployed.

What the article is saying, hedda (much as I have said over the years) is that those temporarily unemployed will be genuine and will be doing their best to secure future employment.

It's the long term dolers - those who have never had a job and have no intention of getting one - that need special attention.

Make these people attend Job Centres every day - from 8am till 5.30 - in a continual search for work.

They will soon get fed-up with it, and see the benefit (sorry about the pun) of getting the minimum wage for doing a menial job !!!!

ALL should not be tarnished for the idleness of a few.

Long term job search at the Job Centre won't help. There are only few jobs going, agency is ignored by claimants as it's not guaranteed work, biggest employer in Thanet was Pfizer which is now closed. The FJF was good as your guaranteed work for 6 months and we paid tax and NI.

Job Centre's are stretched, A4E has cost millions and failed like New Deal. I remember the half price New Deal rail cards gave you half price on fares. Mates and I used to travel the whole of Kent handing CV's and spec letters to employees. We all got jobs from it sadly company closed after 6 months.

Tories scrapped them New Deal rail cards also.

"Make these people attend Job Centres every day - from 8am till 5.30 - in a continual search for work."

why ? no more jobs will appear just because they hang around all day.

more cost for little result. silly

Hopefully, "I'm All Right ITK" not always allowed the last word.

The smug-housewife mindset of 'clearing up' a few million unemployed into sub-living wage MaCJobs.

Does nothing for the longterm unemployment situation, nor for the Billions lost through 'Too BIG To Jail' Corporate Spivs & Banksters.

In The Know wrote:
hedda wrote:
sensible maybe but hopelessly out of synch with the pace of modern society.

Yes it can because they will not have the time nor capacity to carry out such checks on even a fraction of those registered as unemployed.

What the article is saying, hedda (much as I have said over the years) is that those temporarily unemployed will be genuine and will be doing their best to secure future employment.

It's the long term dolers - those who have never had a job and have no intention of getting one - that need special attention.

Make these people attend Job Centres every day - from 8am till 5.30 - in a continual search for work.

They will soon get fed-up with it, and see the benefit (sorry about the pun) of getting the minimum wage for doing a menial job !!!!

ALL should not be tarnished for the idleness of a few.

Your comments ITK just go to prove how out of touch with reality you are. THERE IS PLENTY OF WORK OUT THERE - what there is NOT is anyone with any money to pay you to do that work. Getting people to go to the Job Centre every day is simply going to achieve the following...

A) An INCREASE in the cost of supporting the unemployed by having to issue them with bus passes to be able to comply.

To make criminals out of a lot of perfectly decent people because eventually people will snap and there will be violent outbursts leading to criminal convictions and then even LESS hope of those people getting a job.

C) To completely overload the DWP with work slowing down claims for those 'genuine people' you so love to champion and thus causing hardship and misery all round.

D) An increase in suicide rates as people, depressed and lost already, simply can take no more and end it all

Let me make it clear, punishing unemployed people only makes them MORE depressed and LESS likely to get a job REGARDLESS of the wage.


If the Government and ALL political parties really want to get long term people back into work they should make it easier for people to take short term work WITHOUT forcing them to sign off if they do. At the moment , If I was to take a two week contract with an employer I would be required to tell the DWP that I had found work for a short period. As soon as I do that they sign me off the dole and my benefit claim is ended. When after the two weeks work I go back down to sign on again I find myself right back at the start. I have to wait SIX WEEKS before my fresh claim is processed and somehow survive during that time with no money. Why can't benefit claims be SUSPENDED rather than closed? Because it is all about statistics and political point scoring, that's why!

How much simpler could it be than for me to tell the DWP I have found work for two weeks. I sign to say that I agree to having my benefit SUSPENDED during those weeks and they sign to say that I have told them about the work. At the end of the two weeks I return to the Job Centre and sign to say that I an now in need of my benefits once more and the job centre sign to say that they agree to re-instate my claim from that date.

WHAT COULD BE SIMPLER?

But, Oh no! It doesn't work like that because governments want to be able to say that you are NOT on the dole. Sure, you can work and be on TAX CREDITS or be getting money for your KIDS but you can't be unemployed. I know plenty of people who cost the tax payer far MORE money claiming housing allowance, tax credits etc than I do but because I am unemployed I get the finger pointed at me as the cause for societies ills!

Well, WAKE UP AND SMELL THE ROSES, because the unemployed are NOT the cause they are the side effect caused by years of policies designed to profit the rich, and the greedy!!!

Fair Justice wrote:
Does nothing for the longterm unemployment situation

Yes, it does .... it clears lots of dossers from our streets, and teaches others what to expect in future (if they waste their opportunities).

I'm regularly hearing people say "I don't want to end up like my brother" etc ... the siblings ARE learning !

Do YOU have a better solution for "employing" those who have made themselves unemployable?

hedda wrote:
why ? no more jobs will appear just because they hang around all day.

no ... but crime will drop substantially !

Where they going to seat all the claimants ? There are thousands signing on at each centre, Avanta have about 5000 people a week doing a 2 hour job search.

andrew wrote:
Where they going to seat all the claimants ? There are thousands signing on at each centre, Avanta have about 5000 people a week doing a 2 hour job search.

It looks like there is about to be another "industry" created to manage the unemployed. Probably in specially built camps with barbed wire.

Tony May wrote:
In The Know wrote:
hedda wrote:
sensible maybe but hopelessly out of synch with the pace of modern society.

Yes it can because they will not have the time nor capacity to carry out such checks on even a fraction of those registered as unemployed.

What the article is saying, hedda (much as I have said over the years) is that those temporarily unemployed will be genuine and will be doing their best to secure future employment.

It's the long term dolers - those who have never had a job and have no intention of getting one - that need special attention.

Make these people attend Job Centres every day - from 8am till 5.30 - in a continual search for work.

They will soon get fed-up with it, and see the benefit (sorry about the pun) of getting the minimum wage for doing a menial job !!!!

ALL should not be tarnished for the idleness of a few.

Your comments ITK just go to prove how out of touch with reality you are. THERE IS PLENTY OF WORK OUT THERE - what there is NOT is anyone with any money to pay you to do that work. Getting people to go to the Job Centre every day is simply going to achieve the following...

A) An INCREASE in the cost of supporting the unemployed by having to issue them with bus passes to be able to comply.

To make criminals out of a lot of perfectly decent people because eventually people will snap and there will be violent outbursts leading to criminal convictions and then even LESS hope of those people getting a job.

C) To completely overload the DWP with work slowing down claims for those 'genuine people' you so love to champion and thus causing hardship and misery all round.

D) An increase in suicide rates as people, depressed and lost already, simply can take no more and end it all

Let me make it clear, punishing unemployed people only makes them MORE depressed and LESS likely to get a job REGARDLESS of the wage.


If the Government and ALL political parties really want to get long term people back into work they should make it easier for people to take short term work WITHOUT forcing them to sign off if they do. At the moment , If I was to take a two week contract with an employer I would be required to tell the DWP that I had found work for a short period. As soon as I do that they sign me off the dole and my benefit claim is ended. When after the two weeks work I go back down to sign on again I find myself right back at the start. I have to wait SIX WEEKS before my fresh claim is processed and somehow survive during that time with no money. Why can't benefit claims be SUSPENDED rather than closed? Because it is all about statistics and political point scoring, that's why!

How much simpler could it be than for me to tell the DWP I have found work for two weeks. I sign to say that I agree to having my benefit SUSPENDED during those weeks and they sign to say that I have told them about the work. At the end of the two weeks I return to the Job Centre and sign to say that I an now in need of my benefits once more and the job centre sign to say that they agree to re-instate my claim from that date.

WHAT COULD BE SIMPLER?

But, Oh no! It doesn't work like that because governments want to be able to say that you are NOT on the dole. Sure, you can work and be on TAX CREDITS or be getting money for your KIDS but you can't be unemployed. I know plenty of people who cost the tax payer far MORE money claiming housing allowance, tax credits etc than I do but because I am unemployed I get the finger pointed at me as the cause for societies ills!

Well, WAKE UP AND SMELL THE ROSES, because the unemployed are NOT the cause they are the side effect caused by years of policies designed to profit the rich, and the greedy!!!

Yes. Its as if they dont actually want people to take temporary work. Maybe they dont? Why wouldn't they?

And why not top up the wages from a part time job until someone finds a second part time job, and can come off the dole?

Fair Justice wrote:
Hopefully, "I'm All Right ITK" not always allowed the last word.

The smug-housewife mindset of 'clearing up' a few million unemployed into sub-living wage MaCJobs.

Does nothing for the longterm unemployment situation, nor for the Billions lost through 'Too BIG To Jail' Corporate Spivs & Banksters.

I dont see what is wrong with "McJobs" at all. If any work is done to the best of your ability it is nothing to be ashamed of, and people shouldn't be put off applying for fear of being sneered at.
If the minimum wage is set too low to live on you cant blame employers for not paying extra.

Tony May wrote:
In The Know wrote:
hedda wrote:
sensible maybe but hopelessly out of synch with the pace of modern society.

Yes it can because they will not have the time nor capacity to carry out such checks on even a fraction of those registered as unemployed.

What the article is saying, hedda (much as I have said over the years) is that those temporarily unemployed will be genuine and will be doing their best to secure future employment.

It's the long term dolers - those who have never had a job and have no intention of getting one - that need special attention.

Make these people attend Job Centres every day - from 8am till 5.30 - in a continual search for work.

They will soon get fed-up with it, and see the benefit (sorry about the pun) of getting the minimum wage for doing a menial job !!!!

ALL should not be tarnished for the idleness of a few.

Your comments ITK just go to prove how out of touch with reality you are. THERE IS PLENTY OF WORK OUT THERE - what there is NOT is anyone with any money to pay you to do that work. Getting people to go to the Job Centre every day is simply going to achieve the following...

A) An INCREASE in the cost of supporting the unemployed by having to issue them with bus passes to be able to comply.

To make criminals out of a lot of perfectly decent people because eventually people will snap and there will be violent outbursts leading to criminal convictions and then even LESS hope of those people getting a job.

C) To completely overload the DWP with work slowing down claims for those 'genuine people' you so love to champion and thus causing hardship and misery all round.

D) An increase in suicide rates as people, depressed and lost already, simply can take no more and end it all

Let me make it clear, punishing unemployed people only makes them MORE depressed and LESS likely to get a job REGARDLESS of the wage.


If the Government and ALL political parties really want to get long term people back into work they should make it easier for people to take short term work WITHOUT forcing them to sign off if they do. At the moment , If I was to take a two week contract with an employer I would be required to tell the DWP that I had found work for a short period. As soon as I do that they sign me off the dole and my benefit claim is ended. When after the two weeks work I go back down to sign on again I find myself right back at the start. I have to wait SIX WEEKS before my fresh claim is processed and somehow survive during that time with no money. Why can't benefit claims be SUSPENDED rather than closed? Because it is all about statistics and political point scoring, that's why!

How much simpler could it be than for me to tell the DWP I have found work for two weeks. I sign to say that I agree to having my benefit SUSPENDED during those weeks and they sign to say that I have told them about the work. At the end of the two weeks I return to the Job Centre and sign to say that I an now in need of my benefits once more and the job centre sign to say that they agree to re-instate my claim from that date.

WHAT COULD BE SIMPLER?

But, Oh no! It doesn't work like that because governments want to be able to say that you are NOT on the dole. Sure, you can work and be on TAX CREDITS or be getting money for your KIDS but you can't be unemployed. I know plenty of people who cost the tax payer far MORE money claiming housing allowance, tax credits etc than I do but because I am unemployed I get the finger pointed at me as the cause for societies ills!

Well, WAKE UP AND SMELL THE ROSES, because the unemployed are NOT the cause they are the side effect caused by years of policies designed to profit the rich, and the greedy!!!

OMG ! it's like War and Peace !

The War and Peace of waffle (and lame excuses)

honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
Tony May wrote:
In The Know wrote:
hedda wrote:
sensible maybe but hopelessly out of synch with the pace of modern society.

Yes it can because they will not have the time nor capacity to carry out such checks on even a fraction of those registered as unemployed.

What the article is saying, hedda (much as I have said over the years) is that those temporarily unemployed will be genuine and will be doing their best to secure future employment.

It's the long term dolers - those who have never had a job and have no intention of getting one - that need special attention.

Make these people attend Job Centres every day - from 8am till 5.30 - in a continual search for work.

They will soon get fed-up with it, and see the benefit (sorry about the pun) of getting the minimum wage for doing a menial job !!!!

ALL should not be tarnished for the idleness of a few.

Your comments ITK just go to prove how out of touch with reality you are. THERE IS PLENTY OF WORK OUT THERE - what there is NOT is anyone with any money to pay you to do that work. Getting people to go to the Job Centre every day is simply going to achieve the following...

A) An INCREASE in the cost of supporting the unemployed by having to issue them with bus passes to be able to comply.

To make criminals out of a lot of perfectly decent people because eventually people will snap and there will be violent outbursts leading to criminal convictions and then even LESS hope of those people getting a job.

C) To completely overload the DWP with work slowing down claims for those 'genuine people' you so love to champion and thus causing hardship and misery all round.

D) An increase in suicide rates as people, depressed and lost already, simply can take no more and end it all

Let me make it clear, punishing unemployed people only makes them MORE depressed and LESS likely to get a job REGARDLESS of the wage.


If the Government and ALL political parties really want to get long term people back into work they should make it easier for people to take short term work WITHOUT forcing them to sign off if they do. At the moment , If I was to take a two week contract with an employer I would be required to tell the DWP that I had found work for a short period. As soon as I do that they sign me off the dole and my benefit claim is ended. When after the two weeks work I go back down to sign on again I find myself right back at the start. I have to wait SIX WEEKS before my fresh claim is processed and somehow survive during that time with no money. Why can't benefit claims be SUSPENDED rather than closed? Because it is all about statistics and political point scoring, that's why!

How much simpler could it be than for me to tell the DWP I have found work for two weeks. I sign to say that I agree to having my benefit SUSPENDED during those weeks and they sign to say that I have told them about the work. At the end of the two weeks I return to the Job Centre and sign to say that I an now in need of my benefits once more and the job centre sign to say that they agree to re-instate my claim from that date.

WHAT COULD BE SIMPLER?

But, Oh no! It doesn't work like that because governments want to be able to say that you are NOT on the dole. Sure, you can work and be on TAX CREDITS or be getting money for your KIDS but you can't be unemployed. I know plenty of people who cost the tax payer far MORE money claiming housing allowance, tax credits etc than I do but because I am unemployed I get the finger pointed at me as the cause for societies ills!

Well, WAKE UP AND SMELL THE ROSES, because the unemployed are NOT the cause they are the side effect caused by years of policies designed to profit the rich, and the greedy!!!

Yes. Its as if they dont actually want people to take temporary work. Maybe they dont? Why wouldn't they?

And why not top up the wages from a part time job until someone finds a second part time job, and can come off the dole?

Depends how long temporary is ?

In The Know wrote:
Tony May wrote:
In The Know wrote:
hedda wrote:
sensible maybe but hopelessly out of synch with the pace of modern society.

Yes it can because they will not have the time nor capacity to carry out such checks on even a fraction of those registered as unemployed.

What the article is saying, hedda (much as I have said over the years) is that those temporarily unemployed will be genuine and will be doing their best to secure future employment.

It's the long term dolers - those who have never had a job and have no intention of getting one - that need special attention.

Make these people attend Job Centres every day - from 8am till 5.30 - in a continual search for work.

They will soon get fed-up with it, and see the benefit (sorry about the pun) of getting the minimum wage for doing a menial job !!!!

ALL should not be tarnished for the idleness of a few.

Your comments ITK just go to prove how out of touch with reality you are. THERE IS PLENTY OF WORK OUT THERE - what there is NOT is anyone with any money to pay you to do that work. Getting people to go to the Job Centre every day is simply going to achieve the following...

A) An INCREASE in the cost of supporting the unemployed by having to issue them with bus passes to be able to comply.

To make criminals out of a lot of perfectly decent people because eventually people will snap and there will be violent outbursts leading to criminal convictions and then even LESS hope of those people getting a job.

C) To completely overload the DWP with work slowing down claims for those 'genuine people' you so love to champion and thus causing hardship and misery all round.

D) An increase in suicide rates as people, depressed and lost already, simply can take no more and end it all

Let me make it clear, punishing unemployed people only makes them MORE depressed and LESS likely to get a job REGARDLESS of the wage.


If the Government and ALL political parties really want to get long term people back into work they should make it easier for people to take short term work WITHOUT forcing them to sign off if they do. At the moment , If I was to take a two week contract with an employer I would be required to tell the DWP that I had found work for a short period. As soon as I do that they sign me off the dole and my benefit claim is ended. When after the two weeks work I go back down to sign on again I find myself right back at the start. I have to wait SIX WEEKS before my fresh claim is processed and somehow survive during that time with no money. Why can't benefit claims be SUSPENDED rather than closed? Because it is all about statistics and political point scoring, that's why!

How much simpler could it be than for me to tell the DWP I have found work for two weeks. I sign to say that I agree to having my benefit SUSPENDED during those weeks and they sign to say that I have told them about the work. At the end of the two weeks I return to the Job Centre and sign to say that I an now in need of my benefits once more and the job centre sign to say that they agree to re-instate my claim from that date.

WHAT COULD BE SIMPLER?

But, Oh no! It doesn't work like that because governments want to be able to say that you are NOT on the dole. Sure, you can work and be on TAX CREDITS or be getting money for your KIDS but you can't be unemployed. I know plenty of people who cost the tax payer far MORE money claiming housing allowance, tax credits etc than I do but because I am unemployed I get the finger pointed at me as the cause for societies ills!

Well, WAKE UP AND SMELL THE ROSES, because the unemployed are NOT the cause they are the side effect caused by years of policies designed to profit the rich, and the greedy!!!

OMG ! it's like War and Peace !

The War and Peace of waffle (and lame excuses)

Seems like ITK can't wing this argument, what do you think of IDS you made no comment about him ?

this is almost a Work Will Set You Free solution that ended so badly 60 years ago.

wouldn't creating new worthwhile jobs be a more positive idea ?.

I still do not believe the vast majority like being unemployed- I never did.

andrew wrote:
In The Know wrote:
Tony May wrote:
In The Know wrote:
hedda wrote:
sensible maybe but hopelessly out of synch with the pace of modern society.

Yes it can because they will not have the time nor capacity to carry out such checks on even a fraction of those registered as unemployed.

What the article is saying, hedda (much as I have said over the years) is that those temporarily unemployed will be genuine and will be doing their best to secure future employment.

It's the long term dolers - those who have never had a job and have no intention of getting one - that need special attention.

Make these people attend Job Centres every day - from 8am till 5.30 - in a continual search for work.

They will soon get fed-up with it, and see the benefit (sorry about the pun) of getting the minimum wage for doing a menial job !!!!

ALL should not be tarnished for the idleness of a few.

Your comments ITK just go to prove how out of touch with reality you are. THERE IS PLENTY OF WORK OUT THERE - what there is NOT is anyone with any money to pay you to do that work. Getting people to go to the Job Centre every day is simply going to achieve the following...

A) An INCREASE in the cost of supporting the unemployed by having to issue them with bus passes to be able to comply.

To make criminals out of a lot of perfectly decent people because eventually people will snap and there will be violent outbursts leading to criminal convictions and then even LESS hope of those people getting a job.

C) To completely overload the DWP with work slowing down claims for those 'genuine people' you so love to champion and thus causing hardship and misery all round.

D) An increase in suicide rates as people, depressed and lost already, simply can take no more and end it all

Let me make it clear, punishing unemployed people only makes them MORE depressed and LESS likely to get a job REGARDLESS of the wage.


If the Government and ALL political parties really want to get long term people back into work they should make it easier for people to take short term work WITHOUT forcing them to sign off if they do. At the moment , If I was to take a two week contract with an employer I would be required to tell the DWP that I had found work for a short period. As soon as I do that they sign me off the dole and my benefit claim is ended. When after the two weeks work I go back down to sign on again I find myself right back at the start. I have to wait SIX WEEKS before my fresh claim is processed and somehow survive during that time with no money. Why can't benefit claims be SUSPENDED rather than closed? Because it is all about statistics and political point scoring, that's why!

How much simpler could it be than for me to tell the DWP I have found work for two weeks. I sign to say that I agree to having my benefit SUSPENDED during those weeks and they sign to say that I have told them about the work. At the end of the two weeks I return to the Job Centre and sign to say that I an now in need of my benefits once more and the job centre sign to say that they agree to re-instate my claim from that date.

WHAT COULD BE SIMPLER?

But, Oh no! It doesn't work like that because governments want to be able to say that you are NOT on the dole. Sure, you can work and be on TAX CREDITS or be getting money for your KIDS but you can't be unemployed. I know plenty of people who cost the tax payer far MORE money claiming housing allowance, tax credits etc than I do but because I am unemployed I get the finger pointed at me as the cause for societies ills!

Well, WAKE UP AND SMELL THE ROSES, because the unemployed are NOT the cause they are the side effect caused by years of policies designed to profit the rich, and the greedy!!!

OMG ! it's like War and Peace !

The War and Peace of waffle (and lame excuses)

Seems like ITK can't win this argument, Tony is right is right about Dwp; what do you think of IDS you made no comment about him ?

andrew wrote:
In The Know wrote:
Tony May wrote:
In The Know wrote:
hedda wrote:
sensible maybe but hopelessly out of synch with the pace of modern society.

Yes it can because they will not have the time nor capacity to carry out such checks on even a fraction of those registered as unemployed.

What the article is saying, hedda (much as I have said over the years) is that those temporarily unemployed will be genuine and will be doing their best to secure future employment.

It's the long term dolers - those who have never had a job and have no intention of getting one - that need special attention.

Make these people attend Job Centres every day - from 8am till 5.30 - in a continual search for work.

They will soon get fed-up with it, and see the benefit (sorry about the pun) of getting the minimum wage for doing a menial job !!!!

ALL should not be tarnished for the idleness of a few.

Your comments ITK just go to prove how out of touch with reality you are. THERE IS PLENTY OF WORK OUT THERE - what there is NOT is anyone with any money to pay you to do that work. Getting people to go to the Job Centre every day is simply going to achieve the following...

A) An INCREASE in the cost of supporting the unemployed by having to issue them with bus passes to be able to comply.

To make criminals out of a lot of perfectly decent people because eventually people will snap and there will be violent outbursts leading to criminal convictions and then even LESS hope of those people getting a job.

C) To completely overload the DWP with work slowing down claims for those 'genuine people' you so love to champion and thus causing hardship and misery all round.

D) An increase in suicide rates as people, depressed and lost already, simply can take no more and end it all

Let me make it clear, punishing unemployed people only makes them MORE depressed and LESS likely to get a job REGARDLESS of the wage.


If the Government and ALL political parties really want to get long term people back into work they should make it easier for people to take short term work WITHOUT forcing them to sign off if they do. At the moment , If I was to take a two week contract with an employer I would be required to tell the DWP that I had found work for a short period. As soon as I do that they sign me off the dole and my benefit claim is ended. When after the two weeks work I go back down to sign on again I find myself right back at the start. I have to wait SIX WEEKS before my fresh claim is processed and somehow survive during that time with no money. Why can't benefit claims be SUSPENDED rather than closed? Because it is all about statistics and political point scoring, that's why!

How much simpler could it be than for me to tell the DWP I have found work for two weeks. I sign to say that I agree to having my benefit SUSPENDED during those weeks and they sign to say that I have told them about the work. At the end of the two weeks I return to the Job Centre and sign to say that I an now in need of my benefits once more and the job centre sign to say that they agree to re-instate my claim from that date.

WHAT COULD BE SIMPLER?

But, Oh no! It doesn't work like that because governments want to be able to say that you are NOT on the dole. Sure, you can work and be on TAX CREDITS or be getting money for your KIDS but you can't be unemployed. I know plenty of people who cost the tax payer far MORE money claiming housing allowance, tax credits etc than I do but because I am unemployed I get the finger pointed at me as the cause for societies ills!

Well, WAKE UP AND SMELL THE ROSES, because the unemployed are NOT the cause they are the side effect caused by years of policies designed to profit the rich, and the greedy!!!

OMG ! it's like War and Peace !

The War and Peace of waffle (and lame excuses)

Seems like ITK can't wing this argument, what do you think of IDS you made no comment about him ?

I'm glad you noticed that Andrew! ITK loves to dish it out but when he is faced with something HE knows makes a lot of sense he has no other line of attack than to make some sarcastic comment. Sarcasm, as is well accepted, is the lowest form of wit. That Politicians like IDS quite obviously see the unemployed in the same light as ITK is why we are all in this mess in the first place...

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honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
And why not top up the wages from a part time job until someone finds a second part time job, and can come off the dole?

These are all lame excuses, honey!

The government already top-up wages ... with tax credits.

They also pay travel (to interview) and even buy people clothes in some instances.

There are also lots of "help" to move people into employment ...

They will always find more excuses !