Interesting development. A friend who knows far more detail about the case has always said they are, indeed, guilty (as they have now been declared, again). As you'll guess, having been through a miscarriage of justice and then met many other victims, I tend to assume that many guilty verdicts are incorrect. But I really have no idea about this. Any opinions?

Both the younger Kercher siblings sound very sensible, intelligent and balanced. They refuse to be drawn into saying what the media want them to say "May they rot in hell. This proves they killed her. We hate them".

Opinions! Thats a 'red rag to a bull'....course we have

I haven't read ALL the details, I am just an occasional observer, but what I can't see in this case is the alternative explanation of the murder................

Self implication, then retraction of the statement, mobile phone texts that can't be remembered, odd behaviour that is unexplained (emotional coldness, emotional faking?....) and perhaps a lack of protestation without any 'new evidence or firm rebuttals of the circumstantial eveidence?

But that in itself doesn't make a guilty situation, does it?

The Italian Police are Police, the investigators are just that, investigators.....don't be swayed by the fact they are Italian, and therefore 3rd rate compared to the UK, which I think a lot of people seem to think (that if its not British justice it must be bad........ha ha we know that isn't correct)

The press coverage hasn't helped one bit, maybe in the UK the only thing that happens more regularly is supression of evidence until the trial starts to prevent contempt?, where it seems there is a media frenzy of cooperative evidence sharing here, well before the initial trial started? Or am I wrong?

I would certainly hope to never be in a situation to have to defend myself from something I haven't ever done...............

I have visited your site several times this morning JK as, with you being the voice of reason (grovel!) I wanted to hear your views.

I've always had a gut feeling they are both guilty. But I realise we can't go on 'gut feelings' - just evidence. Having examined the case over the last few years I do feel they had a part to play in poor Meredith's death, evidence and anomalies does suggest this. But I'm not sure I can envisage them 'working with' Rudy Guede who of course has already been found guilty. Something about that doesn't ring true.

Agree with you totally about the Kercher family - they clearly believe with some conviction (pardon the pun) that Amanda and Raffaele are guilty and in my view that stands for a lot.

As is so often absent in life, we just want truth - thats all that matters. So that people's lives can continue and that Meredith can rest in peace.

My friend and supporter Bob Woffinden has written an absolutely brilliant piece which he sent me; he did it for the Mail back in September but they decided not to print it. I'll ask him whether I can carry it here but hopefully he'll get it printed somewhere else. In a very few words he nails it. To precis - he believes they are both guilty and Guede is not.

JK2006 wrote:
Interesting development. A friend who knows far more detail about the case has always said they are, indeed, guilty (as they have now been declared, again). As you'll guess, having been through a miscarriage of justice and then met many other victims, I tend to assume that many guilty verdicts are incorrect. But I really have no idea about this. Any opinions?

From what I had been reading about this I felt Knox could well be guilty, with her bf helping to clean up afterwards, but that's only from stuff i've read on the internet, so I don't know, it's a bit of a muddle, with 3 suspects and I heard they messed up the crime scene at the beginning so that hasn't helped at all. Just hope they have it right this time, though all the chopping and changing doesn't inspire too much confidence... :/

Mr Reason wrote:
Opinions! Thats a 'red rag to a bull'....course we have

I haven't read ALL the details, I am just an occasional observer, but what I can't see in this case is the alternative explanation of the murder................

Self implication, then retraction of the statement, mobile phone texts that can't be remembered, odd behaviour that is unexplained (emotional coldness, emotional faking?....) and perhaps a lack of protestation without any 'new evidence or firm rebuttals of the circumstantial eveidence?

But that in itself doesn't make a guilty situation, does it?

The Italian Police are Police, the investigators are just that, investigators.....don't be swayed by the fact they are Italian, and therefore 3rd rate compared to the UK, which I think a lot of people seem to think (that if its not British justice it must be bad........ha ha we know that isn't correct)

The press coverage hasn't helped one bit, maybe in the UK the only thing that happens more regularly is supression of evidence until the trial starts to prevent contempt?, where it seems there is a media frenzy of cooperative evidence sharing here, well before the initial trial started? Or am I wrong?

I would certainly hope to never be in a situation to have to defend myself from something I haven't ever done...............

AAlthough this investigation/trial etc has certainly not gone well at all, I feel that there has been a lot of misinformation and propaganda from Knox's side and the American media that attempts to portray it as if Amanda got far worse treatment than she actually did.

I've seen some Americans make a big deal a big of her statement being taken down in Italian because (they claim Amanda could not speak fluent Italian). I do not know how these things work in Italy so am just speculating here, but I would have thought in a lot of countries (probably even this country) if you were in trouble with the law and could not speak the language that they would either get an interpreter for you or your lawyer (if they were bi lingual) would translate for you? They would tell the person taking the statement what you told them? I'd have also thought that it would have been important that her statement was in Italian as the court proceedings were in Italian and it is Italian speaking people that would be having to deal with it?

If an Italian got into trouble for a crime over hhere, for example, would you expect his statement/confession to be taken down in Italian or English (with the help of a translator if necessary) and they either read it and sign it, or someone else ((a lawyer or translator) translates it back to them iin Italian and both sign it?

I'm afraid I found the details of the case to horrible to ponder for very long, but Woffinden is usually right.

Pru wrote:
I'm afraid I found the details of the case to horrible to ponder for very long, but Woffinden is usually right.

Amanda's behaviour (and lies) have been extremely suspicious, far more than the other two, Solliceto and Rudy...

All conjecture,those two are the only ones alive who know the truth...

I expect there will be a very long drawn our extradition process. The US aren't very good at giving up their own.

Foz wrote:
I expect there will be a very long drawn our extradition process. The US aren't very good at giving up their own.

Spot on - but they always expect it the other way round !

I'm surprised the Italians let her leave the country in the first place.

Reports in Italy say Sollecito is now being held by police after being stopped near the country's border with Slovenia on Friday morning.

Pattaya wrote:
All conjecture,those two are the only ones alive who know the truth...

From what I have read it does seem, at the very least, that Amanda Knox knew about it long before the crime scene was officially claimed to have been 'discovered'.

I also wondered a little, if it was only Rudy involved and so it was him who locked the bedroom door and wiped the handle clean of finger prints, if he had the good sense to do that, then why did he not have the sense to make sure he flushed his own feaces from the toilet? And it was Amanda that claimed Meredith often locked her door, yet her other flat mates disagreed about that...

Apparently a few people during the investigation, neighbors, by passers etc, claimed to have seen Amanda and Raffele behaving suspiciously that night and morning, at the shop at 7:00 am etc...

Doesn't mean those people are telling the truth, but all of it together paints a very suspicious image of Amanda Knox at least imo, she even apparently claimed to have heard her old boss kill Meredith when the man apparently had absolutely nothing to do with it, why on earth would an innocent person who knew nothing about what had happened do that?

Based on what i've read I think she was involved, but it does appear to be a very confusing case, that has been poorly handled...

In The Know wrote:
Foz wrote:
I expect there will be a very long drawn our extradition process. The US aren't very good at giving up their own.

Spot on - but they always expect it the other way round !

I'm surprised the Italians let her leave the country in the first place.

If they don't Italy should remember that if in future America ever wants them to extradite someone for them.

She's been found guilty of murder (though it's not been confirmed and she can still appeal it), but if the crime was committed in Italy then surely it should be dealt with according to Italian rules, not American ones, why should American laws like 'double jeopardy' apply here if the crime was committed in Italy...?

Bob Woffinden makes several of these points but mainly says (I agree) that Rudy is such an essential part that his conviction should also be quashed and ALL the evidence regarding all three suspects should have been taken into consideration by the appeal court.

Which surely must be correct? It seems Italian Law puts as much faith in a Guilty plea as UK Justice does. We live in the real world on this board.

JK2006 wrote:
Bob Woffinden makes several of these points but mainly says (I agree) that Rudy is such an essential part that his conviction should also be quashed and ALL the evidence regarding all three suspects should have been taken into consideration by the appeal court.

Which surely must be correct? It seems Italian Law puts as much faith in a Guilty plea as UK Justice does. We live in the real world on this board.

Rudy will be due for realise soon on parole anyway apparently, it's hard to see what his involvement actually was in the crime, but if he was wanted for other crimes that might have made him more likely to confess to a crime he didn't committed (which he is apparently now denying (maybe they made a deal with him, who knows). They say Rudy's DNA was all over the room, but Amanda's was not, but if Rudy was there that night with Meredith then it well might be, why would he be so careless about leaving his DNA all over the room, but so careful about wiping his prints from the door handle when locking the door on exit (if he was not denying having been in the room, - and he left his own waste in the toilet - it would make sense for his prints to be there anyway). Yet the person who locked that door from the outside was being careful, so careful that they managed not to leave much DNA and were conscious to wipe what trace they may have left from the places they had contact with after wards??

It would be interesting to read Bob Woffendin's article, do you think it is on the internet?

Anon wrote:
Based on what i've read I think she was involved, but it does appear to be a very confusing case, that has been poorly handled...

I don't think it was confusing at all - but the Knox family (with the aid of the American media) tried to make it confusing.

She's now been convicted TWICE - yet on Breakfast TV (in the USA) she is still saying she hopes Meredith's family find out who did it (whilest at the same time dropping very heavy hints that she "needs support" to "fight" this. In other words - to evade justice).

In The Know wrote:
Anon wrote:
Based on what i've read I think she was involved, but it does appear to be a very confusing case, that has been poorly handled...

I don't think it was confusing at all - but the Knox family (with the aid of the American media) tried to make it confusing.

She's now been convicted TWICE - yet on Breakfast TV (in the USA) she is still saying she hopes Meredith's family find out who did it (whilest at the same time dropping very heavy hints that she "needs support" to "fight" this. In other words - to evade justice).

Yeah, and a lot depends on what can be used as evidence doesn't it? Witness statements (provided there is more than one)can be used as evidence can't they? Apparently a witness claimed to have seen the pair arguing and pointing over to the house that night (yet they claimed to have been at Raffaele's all night watching films on his computer - that was infact found not to have been used at all between 9:15 pm that night and 5:32 am the next morning) and a shop keeper said Amanda was at his shop at 7:45 in the morning waiting for it to open and she headed straight to the cleaning supplies section when he did (yet her and Raffaele told police they slept until 10:30 am, something also contradicted by Raffaele's computer having been used at 5:32 that morning and his phone being switched on at 6:02 am). Phone records? I think even Amanda's mother herself (apparently)claimed to have received a phone call at an unusual hour (apparently just after the time of Meredith's death). And the numerous lies about their whereabouts at the time of the murder (which have been proven to be false), their inability to actually give a truthful account of where they were, trying to cast blame on an innocent man, inconsistencies with the rest of the flat mates about Meredith habits that are obviously designed to take suspicion away from her (Amanda) i.e why did she not find it strange that Meredith's door was locked? Some of that stuff might not be 'evidence' in and of itself, but together I think it paints an awfully damning picture.

As well as Amanda apparently appearing to know that Meredith had been killed by the wardrobe (her body was apparently found in the center of the room) before the investigators did (that must count as some sort of 'evidence' surely?). If what I have been reading is true (I can't know for sure), there would at the very least have been more than enough circumstantial evidence and evidence of highly strange and suspicious behaviour to at least make her and Raffaele huge suspects in this...

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I'm surprised her and her family were able to get away with their propaganda campaign over something like this, hiring a P.R company as if all that really matters in all of this is public opinion or perception...

Anon wrote:
I'm surprised her and her family were able to get away with their propaganda campaign over something like this, hiring a P.R company as if all that really matters in all of this is public opinion or perception...

Now ... What other case does this remind me of LOL ?

Interview with Raphaele is interesting; he seems more credible than Knox.