English is now second language in one in nine schools after influx of Eastern Europeans

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2565165...stern-Europeans.html

'The cost of educating a non-native speaker has been estimated at up to £30,000 a year, compared to around £5,000 for other pupils, because of the need for intensive classroom assistance.

Anastasia De Waal, of think-tank Civitas, warned the strain on resources was damaging the education of both English children and those from recent migrant families.

‘In too many cases our schools are simply not set up to accommodate very high proportions of children who start school without fluent English,’ she said.

‘Those who lose out most in this scenario are these very pupils, as they don’t receive adequate opportunities to develop their English language skills and are therefore at risk of going through the education system at a significant disadvantage.'

Bit of an ironic typo Pattaya.

Nice, Angel.

Some schools around here in kent have 2 teachers in case of language barrier more expense is used. ITK still blames the dolers for wasting money.

andrew wrote:
ITK still blames the dolers for wasting money.


... and what did these people do with the 50K (10 years x £5K a year) that we spend on their education?

Fill in dole forms !!!!!

Why should we waste another penny on them?

In The Know wrote:
andrew wrote:
ITK still blames the dolers for wasting money.


... and what did these people do with the 50K (10 years x £5K a year) that we spend on their education?


A lot of those are now poorly educated because the school concentrates on foreign kids education,and they each cost us £30k pa......most of the schools by me are filled with foreign kids....

Or that they did work and now been made redundant.

The school where my nephew goes id full of Asians and Romanians, there are only about 15 British pupils. My brother said teachers are finding it a hard job to get past the language barrier, pupils are doing less work as most of the time is spent is trying to understand each other.

I dread to think what their kids school will be like.

Locked Out wrote:
Oh, dear. More xenophobia.

Actually called facts.
My sister is a teacher in an inner city school,she calls it reality.

andrew wrote:
The school where my nephew goes id full of Asians and Romanians,

Well, as the Asians seem to do rather well at school (and University) let's hope the Romanians emulate them ... UK born kids of doler parents certainly won't !

In The Know wrote:
andrew wrote:
The school where my nephew goes id full of Asians and Romanians,

Well, as the Asians seem to do rather well at school (and University) let's hope the Romanians emulate them ... UK born kids of doler parents certainly won't !

Hindu Asians have always done well,but the rest,like Somalis,Pakistanis etc do not..most of the eastern europeans certainly don't.

Pattaya wrote:
Hindu Asians have always done well,but the rest,like Somalis .........

.... Do you know where Somalia is ??????

Pattaya wrote:
[quote]In The Know wrote:
andrew wrote:
The school where my nephew goes id full of Asians and Romanians,

Well, as the Asians seem to do rather well at school (and University) let's hope the Romanians emulate them ... UK born kids of doler parents certainly won't !

Hindu Asians have always done well,but the rest,like Somalis,Pakistanis etc do not..most of the eastern europeans certainly don't.[/quote

Their parents own corner shops which will be handed down to them, also there most Eastern Europeans sign on at my job centre than British.

In The Know wrote:
Pattaya wrote:
Hindu Asians have always done well,but the rest,like Somalis .........

.... Do you know where Somalia is ??????

Well it's not in Derbyshire
Actually used to spend a lot of time in neighboring Ethiopia organizing instructional courses in Chemical weapon handling for the Ethiopian army in Gondor.
And my sisters school is full of Somalis,so do know a bit about this subject.

Pattaya wrote:
Locked Out wrote:
Oh, dear. More xenophobia.

Actually called facts.
My sister is a teacher in an inner city school,she calls it reality.

Call it what you like. It'll never change the circumstances we find ourselves in. And the genuine "reality" is that when we were going around the world plundering other nation's resources and sending the gelt back home we were teaching both our kids and the indigenous population in such a way as to relegate their own mother tongues to second-language status. That's why to this day there are more Indian newspapers written and produced in English than in any other language. When are you going to post something about that? Some might say that we're only reaping what we ourselves sowed.
However, I'm aware that that'll cut no ice with you, who has worked abroad yet took no jobs which could have been done by a local {what are you, a professional Brit?}. You complain incessantly about foreigners here. Yet I've so far failed to see any intelligent comment from you advancing any argument for solving the huge problem that we'll be left with post EU withdrawal, ie we make nothing, we are minor-league players on almost any world stage you care to name and, once the money markets pull out of London, we'll have little alternative other than to draw the curtains and bask in self pity and weep about it all being someone else's fault.
Hasn't it ever occurred to you that if we could get our own people to work, invest {yes, invest} and actually contribute something we might just... just... have something akin to a future?
Or is simply sitting at a desk and composing postings to internet fora wittering about foreigners the destiny this once great country has assigned itself. We used to set examples. We used to be the workshop of the world. Now, it seems, this land - which was once home to the great and the good - is the home of those who want to shut out everyone else and pretend everything would be better if we just didn't join in at all. We've had a fair hand in creating globalism. We don't seem to wish to deal with the responsibilities.
Am I bitter? Probably. But it isn't me complaining about everyone else without recognising that it's largely my own fault. I'd bugger off back to Spain if I were you. I'm sure you're linguistically fluent. Aren't you? And, by the way, if you're going to witter about other peoples' languages, you might at least have the courtesy to use your own correctly. Quite frankly the thread title suggests that your own education is just a tad deficient.

Locked Out wrote:
Pattaya wrote:
Locked Out wrote:
Oh, dear. More xenophobia.

Actually called facts.
My sister is a teacher in an inner city school,she calls it reality.

Call it what you like. It'll never change the circumstances we find ourselves in. And the genuine "reality" is that when we were going around the world plundering other nation's resources and sending the gelt back home we were teaching both our kids and the indigenous population in such a way as to relegate their own mother tongues to second-language status. That's why to this day there are more Indian newspapers written and produced in English than in any other language. When are you going to post something about that? Some might say that we're only reaping what we ourselves sowed.
However, I'm aware that that'll cut no ice with you, who has worked abroad yet took no jobs which could have been done by a local {what are you, a professional Brit?}. You complain incessantly about foreigners here. Yet I've so far failed to see any intelligent comment from you advancing any argument for solving the huge problem that we'll be left with post EU withdrawal, ie we make nothing, we are minor-league players on almost any world stage you care to name and, once the money markets pull out of London, we'll have little alternative other than to draw the curtains and bask in self pity and weep about it all being someone else's fault.
Hasn't it ever occurred to you that if we could get our own people to work, invest {yes, invest} and actually contribute something we might just... just... have something akin to a future?
Or is simply sitting at a desk and composing postings to internet fora wittering about foreigners the destiny this once great country has assigned itself. We used to set examples. We used to be the workshop of the world. Now, it seems, this land - which was once home to the great and the good - is the home of those who want to shut out everyone else and pretend everything would be better if we just didn't join in at all. We've had a fair hand in creating globalism. We don't seem to wish to deal with the responsibilities.
Am I bitter? Probably. But it isn't me complaining about everyone else without recognising that it's largely my own fault. I'd bugger off back to Spain if I were you. I'm sure you're linguistically fluent. Aren't you? And, by the way, if you're going to witter about other peoples' languages, you might at least have the courtesy to use your own correctly. Quite frankly the thread title suggests that your own education is just a tad deficient.

Maybe Pattaya teachers were to busy screwing students than to teach others.

Locked Out wrote:
Pattaya wrote:
Locked Out wrote:
Oh, dear. More xenophobia.

Actually called facts.
My sister is a teacher in an inner city school,she calls it reality.

Call it what you like. It'll never change the circumstances we find ourselves in. And the genuine "reality" is that when we were going around the world plundering other nation's resources and sending the gelt back home we were teaching both our kids and the indigenous population in such a way as to relegate their own mother tongues to second-language status. That's why to this day there are more Indian newspapers written and produced in English than in any other language. When are you going to post something about that? Some might say that we're only reaping what we ourselves sowed.
However, I'm aware that that'll cut no ice with you, who has worked abroad yet took no jobs which could have been done by a local {what are you, a professional Brit?}. You complain incessantly about foreigners here. Yet I've so far failed to see any intelligent comment from you advancing any argument for solving the huge problem that we'll be left with post EU withdrawal, ie we make nothing, we are minor-league players on almost any world stage you care to name and, once the money markets pull out of London, we'll have little alternative other than to draw the curtains and bask in self pity and weep about it all being someone else's fault.
Hasn't it ever occurred to you that if we could get our own people to work, invest {yes, invest} and actually contribute something we might just... just... have something akin to a future?
Or is simply sitting at a desk and composing postings to internet fora wittering about foreigners the destiny this once great country has assigned itself. We used to set examples. We used to be the workshop of the world. Now, it seems, this land - which was once home to the great and the good - is the home of those who want to shut out everyone else and pretend everything would be better if we just didn't join in at all. We've had a fair hand in creating globalism. We don't seem to wish to deal with the responsibilities.
Am I bitter? Probably. But it isn't me complaining about everyone else without recognising that it's largely my own fault. I'd bugger off back to Spain if I were you. I'm sure you're linguistically fluent. Aren't you? And, by the way, if you're going to witter about other peoples' languages, you might at least have the courtesy to use your own correctly. Quite frankly the thread title suggests that your own education is just a tad deficient.

Perfectly right of course,you well educated intelligent person
Sorry I'm too stupid to run anything more than a simple import/export business to Gibraltar via Spain..Will try harder to not pay my Spanish taxes next time,and to try to help them give me their non existent benefits from their bankrupt Euro based economy.
Also will try hard not to win the Ukraine military veterans association any more foreign contracts,you know the ones that pay them about 10x their usual salary.Instead I shall humbly apologize,and ask them if their bankrupt economy would prefer to look after me instead.

Never claimed benefits in my life,and expect to add something to any place I live/visit.
Is it so unfair to expect the same from foreign people coming here?

As for history,the strong always end up governing the weak,and if you really know Indian history you will know we left it in a far better condition than we found it...ie divided up,waring amongst itself as the last throes of a dying Mogul empire split into a cesspit of corruption and destitution.English united the diverse languages,communication is now possible amongst the several hundred language groups that make up the Indian Sub-continent.Also don't forget the railway system,115,000 km of track.

How many times have you 'retired' from posting here?
So glad you made a comeback just to complain about me posting facts you're worried about the public knowing about? You tried it on with ITK,were constantly rude to BR,but with me you will find it harder going. I don't sit around finding excuses to be rude,I don't have a chip on my shoulder because I was guilty of an imprison-able crime.
You could of course push yourself to do something about bettering your position...or you could just keep making 'comebacks' on here,saying the problems I point out on here are the result of ancient historical mistakes,rather than being positive,and realizing that tying yourself to the economies of the EU,with some of the lowest growth around is our only salvation.
Get ye gone soothsayer,the countries on the way up actually believe they can do positive things,not sneaking about in the dark frightened of their own shadow

Watch it Pattaya you will be dubbed racist by ITK and Locked Out when your actually speaking the truth. Tories can bail out Ukraine but could not get help to people with flood, charity does not start at home it's a myth.

I dont think it is fair to imply that someone is racist or xenophobic if they fear their children's education might suffer because of newcomers.
We can appreciate other peoples customs while wanting to retain our own, and there are valid reasons to at least question immigration.
It would be unusual for any sort of disruption in class to not have an effect on the other pupils. Even one child who takes up the teachers time can have an impact.
If people are afraid to complain or discuss it for fear of not being PC enough then nothing will change or improve.