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#111807
SP17

DLT - the two remaining charges 11 Years, 4 Months ago  
Later this morning, we should hear whether these will be resurrected.

The jury failed to reach verdicts the last time.
 
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#111810
Re:DLT - the two remaining charges 11 Years, 4 Months ago  
He IS going to have to go to a retrial! - can you believe it? Vindictiveness, but have the CPS gone too far on this now?

I doubt public opinion will agree with this decision, and if he is found not guilty again, the CPS will face a huge backlash.

My fears are for DLT, who once again has to find considerable money to fund this - is it legal to form a support fund to pay his costs??
 
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#111811
SP17

Re:DLT - the two remaining charges 11 Years, 4 Months ago  
New trials to take place, with further hearing - first.
 
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#111813
In The Know

Re:DLT - the two remaining charges 11 Years, 4 Months ago  
Gnomo wrote:
- is it legal to form a support fund to pay his costs??

YES it is
 
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#111814
Re:DLT - the two remaining charges 11 Years, 4 Months ago  
Well, if the CPS think they warrant a retrial, fair enough, they should have one. But have they taken into consideration the enormous publicity over his acquittal? Surely any jury will know about that and be tempted to acquit again? No matter what the trial judge says ("you are to put all those verdicts out of your mind"… a silly and absurd pretext, impossible to do without Gestapo type brain washing facilities) - it will be impossible for them to reach a fair verdict.

And surely what the public are saying is NOT "he never did anything"but "these claims should not reach court; it was a different time with different laws and morality".

But then, when a report today says that three quarters of complainants against Savile did not think he was doing anything illegal - without commenting that, then, perhaps he wasn't doing anything illegal and memory, the passage of time and media coverage now makes it seem to them that he went further than he did - anything is possible.
 
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#111815
Anon

Re:DLT - the two remaining charges 11 Years, 4 Months ago  
Gnomo wrote:
He IS going to have to go to a retrial! - can you believe it? Vindictiveness, but have the CPS gone too far on this now?

I doubt public opinion will agree with this decision, and if he is found not guilty again, the CPS will face a huge backlash.

My fears are for DLT, who once again has to find considerable money to fund this - is it legal to form a support fund to pay his costs??


Their desperate to get him by hook or by crook. Because they weren't able to find him 'innocent' beyond reasonable doubt I bet.

I am so glad that they are doing all they can to take dangerous character's like Dave Lee Travis off the streets - meanwhile doing all they can to let obviously harmless ones like Amanda Knox walk free...
 
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#111816
In The Know (as always)

Re:DLT - the two remaining charges 11 Years, 4 Months ago  
JK2006 wrote:
Well, if the CPS think they warrant a retrial, fair enough, they should have one. But have they taken into consideration the enormous publicity over his acquittal? Surely any jury will know about that and be tempted to acquit again?

Juries never really know - they take a calculated guess (based on the evidence presented to them). They never really know if they have been lied to, or deceived (either accidentally or deliberately).

What the new Jury WILL know is that a previous Jury failed to find enough evidence to convict but did acquit on numerous other charges. Surely, then, the balance of probabilties says that if someone is innocent of the vast majority of charges its also highly likely they are innocent of a further two?

This is a vindictive prosecution at best ... what will it achieve?
Even if DLT was found guilty its only likely he would be fined, AND there would always be a doubt over the decision.
 
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#111817
Re:DLT - the two remaining charges 11 Years, 4 Months ago  
It brings me back to Individual Accountability - Juries are starting to realise there IS such a thing as a false allegation. How long before they start doubting police methods? Assisting witness statements? If I was DLT, I'd call all my acquitted "victims" to give evidence about police tactics ("how they helped me imagine details"). Unlikely? Oh, I don't know. Some people will do anything for cash.
 
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#111824
AllAngloVictims

Re:DLT - the two remaining charges 11 Years, 4 Months ago  
JK NAILS it!

" I'd call all my acquitted "victims" to give evidence about police tactics ("how they helped me imagine details"). "

And, check JK's worthy ally Bob Woffinden who helped expose bent-Cops/Nth wales the first force 'Trawling For LIES', as early as 1991!

23 years - and counting...

www.theguardian.com/society/2011/jul/31/...ard-webster-obituary
 
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#111826
Pattaya

Re:DLT - the two remaining charges 11 Years, 4 Months ago  
In The Know (as always) wrote:
JK2006 wrote:
Well, if the CPS think they warrant a retrial, fair enough, they should have one. But have they taken into consideration the enormous publicity over his acquittal? Surely any jury will know about that and be tempted to acquit again?

Juries never really know - they take a calculated guess (based on the evidence presented to them). They never really know if they have been lied to, or deceived (either accidentally or deliberately).

What the new Jury WILL know is that a previous Jury failed to find enough evidence to convict but did acquit on numerous other charges. Surely, then, the balance of probabilties says that if someone is innocent of the vast majority of charges its also highly likely they are innocent of a further two?

This is a vindictive prosecution at best ... what will it achieve?
Even if DLT was found guilty its only likely he would be fined, AND there would always be a doubt over the decision.


Well said.
When JK was found guilty juries possibly still thought people would never make up such things.Now of course the media has shown us enough information to make us realize that fame/compo/cover ups etc do go on,and that police are more than capable of lying.

The CPS is digging itself a grave here,so desperate for a jury to convict on any small thing.
 
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#111830
Re:DLT - the two remaining charges 11 Years, 4 Months ago  
If DLT had been found guilty on at least one charge, no doubt the CPS would have rejoiced, and not continued to pursue the two remaining ones.

If I remember, in JK's case, the third trial was abandoned because he had already been found guilty on other counts during the 2nd trial.

The sole objective of the CPS is therefore to continue until a guilty verdict is obtained. No doubt if he is again found not guilty, the CPS will then pursue the allegations bought up by new accusers whilst his trial was ongoing.

Like JK, I cannot see how they will be able to find a jury who will not be aware of DLT's innocence in 12 cases, it will be impossible for a fair trial to take place
 
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#111831
Re:DLT - the two remaining charges 11 Years, 4 Months ago  
Yes Gnomo - except I was found NOT guilty in the second trial, even greater reason to abandon the third trial. The judge then sentenced me on the FIRST trial verdict, using it as a "sample" for all allegations - which I thought very unfair (why not regard the second trial verdict - NOT guilty - as the sample?).
 
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#111834
In The Know

Re:DLT - the two remaining charges 11 Years, 4 Months ago  
Pattaya wrote:
The CPS is digging itself a grave here,so desperate for a jury to convict on any small thing.

Agreed.

In the public interest? .... or in the CPS's interest?

It makes you wonder just how desperate they are - after two high profile failed prosecutions, both of which were heavily criticised - to "show they were right" ?
 
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#111835
Chris Retro

Re:DLT - the two remaining charges 11 Years, 4 Months ago  
We need to make an FOI for them to detail how much this travis-ty of justice has cost the tax-payer so far.
We'll be raped of more TOTP repeats - I make that 11 DLT's and 9 Jimmy Savile's of this "warts and all, not re-writing history" repeat run thus far.
Proof - as if any where needed still - that the CPS and the Metropolitan Police are utterly corrupt.
 
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#111836
Pattaya

Re:DLT - the two remaining charges 11 Years, 4 Months ago  
Chris Retro wrote:
We need to make an FOI for them to detail how much this travis-ty of justice has cost the tax-payer so far.
We'll be raped of more TOTP repeats - I make that 11 DLT's and 9 Jimmy Savile's of this "warts and all, not re-writing history" repeat run thus far.
Proof - as if any where needed still - that the CPS and the Metropolitan Police are utterly corrupt.


They get the overtime,we pay the taxes.
 
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#111842
In The Know (as always)

Re:DLT - the two remaining charges 11 Years, 4 Months ago  
Chris Retro wrote:
that the CPS and the Metropolitan Police are utterly corrupt.

What I would like to see is a totally independent CPS - not one staffed by retired (and fired!) ex-coppers - which can properly (and independently) scrutinize a case, completely separate from the investigation department (the police) who have a vested interest in getting a case to Court..

Run along the French lines, where a Magistrate oversees the case and decides whether there is sufficient evidence to bring a case.

NOT as here - where the CPS and police are often in the same building - working together to "cobble together" a case.
 
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#111845
Re:DLT - the two remaining charges 11 Years, 4 Months ago  
I am disgusted.
Why are the newspapers listing the crimes that never happened? And why are they saying that him putting his hand up a skirt was caught on camera if it wasn't? (or not so anyone could find. Funny that! )

I really dont give a monkeys if he touched someones bum forty years ago or not.
If it was rape it would be a different matter but wasting money on such a trivial thing isn't helping anybody.
 
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#111855
Pattaya

Re:DLT - the two remaining charges 11 Years, 4 Months ago  
In The Know (as always) wrote:
Chris Retro wrote:
that the CPS and the Metropolitan Police are utterly corrupt.

What I would like to see is a totally independent CPS - not one staffed by retired (and fired!) ex-coppers - which can properly (and independently) scrutinize a case, completely separate from the investigation department (the police) who have a vested interest in getting a case to Court..

Run along the French lines, where a Magistrate oversees the case and decides whether there is sufficient evidence to bring a case.

NOT as here - where the CPS and police are often in the same building - working together to "cobble together" a case.


Ahhhhh....ITK stop it,I'm getting to like you
 
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#111856
Pattaya

Re:DLT - the two remaining charges 11 Years, 4 Months ago  
honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:


I really dont give a monkeys if he touched someones bum forty years ago or not.
If it was rape it would be a different matter but wasting money on such a trivial thing isn't helping anybody.


Indeed a different matter Honey,just another unprovable allegation from the distant past,but a hell of a lot more compo!!!
 
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