There is a God

Forget Saville, Clifford, Hall et al...

Adams is the vicious murderer of so many

But cowards don't always commit the act themselves

Great news

But he is a friend of the queen so it really doesnt matter how many women he put a bullet in.
Same with Mcguiness who killed more folk than Peter Sutcliffe hes another mass murderer.

But hey..... its all water under the bridge these days.

Rigsby wrote:
its all water under the bridge these days


Many would disagree.

Adams is still in politics in the Republic of Ireland - and the people there will respond.

So far, the media and other comment on him is not very positive.

SP17 wrote:
There is a God

Forget Saville, Clifford, Hall et al...

Adams is the vicious murderer of so many

But cowards don't always commit the act themselves

Great news





We dont actually know if he murdered anyone yet.

honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
We dont actually know if he murdered anyone yet

Neither do we know if Adams was ever a member of the IRA - he has always denied it! But Adams' activities/involvement have been a very open secret in Ireland for years.

At the very least, this arrest is the first step towards the disclosure of a lot of facts/information - which the political and legal systems (in NI and the RoI) were unable to make known.

The Irish media - and message boards - are awash, this morning, with the relief that we are likely to learn what really happened to Mrs McConville, and so many others.

Brought about by the recent judgement of a US court.

Thank you Honey; let us all please respect the unfashionable rule that people are innocent until, unless and sometimes after they have been found guilty in a court of law.

But yes, this is an interesting development. If allegations of sex offences can get examined without statutes of limitation, why not the far more serious offences of murder, forgery, theft and so on?

My great worry is evidence. This recent (14 years ago) era of prosecutions with no evidence at all is very frightening.

I've always loathed the IRA and went public on radio in New York condemning their activities and use of violence (I got a thank you letter from then Prime Minister Thatcher). My statements lead to a huge drop in donations by New Yorkers to the cause. But I'm still nervous about ancient prosecutions unless there is hard evidence (which does not include statements by dead people).

This Boston Herald article tells the story:-

www.bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_...ted_in_72_IRA_murder


For a Boston College project, IRA veterans (Adams' ex-collegues) gave interviews detailing their involvement - and that of Adams - in a number of murders, including Jean McConville's.

Boston College gave an assurance the the interviews would not be released until the deaths of the interviewees. But, at the behest of Belfast police, the US Court issued an order to remand a portion of the archives last year.

South Boston is an IRA hotbed - and as Adams' old mates boasted about their missions of death, they were unknowingly/unwittingly shopping their old buddy.

An ironic twist at the end of a long career in terrorism - for Adams.

Boston College gave an assurance the the interviews would not be released until the deaths of the interviewees. But, at the behest of Belfast police, the US Court issued an order to remand a portion of the archives last year.

The "evidence" is NOT worth anything !

When people say things - which is not to be revealed until after their death - it could be malicious, rumour, gossip, slander or just plain LIES !

Evidence MUST be tested in Court - some of these people are already dead, and the others will be treated as "hostile witnesses" (ie people not willing to give evidence).

....... beyond a reasonable doubt? - or considerable doubt ??!

actually people can make dying depositions that can be used in court.


(if ITK QC offers his legal services be wary- he got his qualifications from a Cornflakes packet)

In The Know QC (as always) wrote:
[quote] beyond a reasonable doubt?


Perhaps the DPP should decide that, first?

Not the OAP...

honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
We dont actually know if he murdered anyone yet.

Mr McGuinness, Northern Ireland's Deputy First Minister, told a press conference at Stormont that the arrest of his party leader and "friend" was politically motivated.

He claimed that "senior" and "reforming" figures within the Police Service of Northern Ireland (PSNI) had told Sinn Féin that "there was still a dark side within policing here in the north of Ireland".

"I think we have seen that dark side flex its muscles in the course of the last couple of days," he added.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-27244878

Have we all forgotten ?
The last police service in Northern Ireland (RUC) was SO CORRUPT the entire thing had to be disbanded !

hedda wrote:
actually people can make dying depositions that can be used in court.


.... and can be challenged !

Another verbatim media quote from ITK

But does he know who the 'friend' is...

Now, it comes to light

Adams' brother is in jail for numerous rapes of his daughter

Denied, as usual and for years, by Gerry




Most rational people in RoI/NI think they should be in the same cell

....and do what they desire...

Police seeking more time to question Adams.

In The Know wrote:
Have we all forgotten ?
The last police service in Northern Ireland (RUC) was SO CORRUPT the entire thing had to be disbanded !

There are hundreds of cases in Northern Ireland where the police were suspected of "involvement" in murders ... this is just one -

www.thedetail.tv/issues/3/loughlandislan...hinisland-eyewitness

Innocent before being proven guilty? Hmmmmm..Adams, his politics and his ridiculous pseudo intellectual reincarnation couldn't give two monkeys for the rule of law or the belief in humanity........

You cannot defend the support for murdered innocents with any defence of armed struggle or mealy mouthed denials as the spokesman for unspeakable horrors.

However human we are, it is very very difficult to allow the thought of behaving nicely to that man.

I wonder if the people of Northern Ireland would agree ?

The man who brought peace ...... Being victimised, whilst the British Army etc get off Scott free . (not a single soldier has been arrested)

I wonder if we are about to turn the clock back about 30 years?????

In The Know wrote:
The man who brought peace ...... Being victimised

whilst the British Army etc get off Scott free

No, just being interrogated - after statements/allegations (of brutal murder) made by his old mates

Really? Over 500 have been killed (in the Troubles) so far

Whatever happens to Adams, this whole affair is bad news for Sinn Fein who were doing well in Irish politics as a mainstream left wing/working class party - seen as an alternative to the others.

Their popularity was built on the back of the recession in Ireland which severely damaged the two main parties (Fianna Fail and Fianna Gael).

Adams and McGuiness are relics of Sinn Fein/IRA's violent past and this case has reminded the Irish electorate of their dark past as terrorists - kiliing people indiscriminately. In Omagh, Enniskillen, Birmingham, Guildford etc. etc.

Victims were men, women and children - catholic and protestant - it didn't matter.

Both now are past pension age and seen as a liabilities by the new SF - with far too much baggage, and out of touch. For instance, they totally misread the enormous popularity of the Queen on her visit to Ireland.

Consequently, McGuiness had no option to attend the banquet at Windsor Castle recently - on the visit of the President of Ireland, and to shake hands with the Queen and her family and ministers. Totally unthinkable, not long ago.

Boston College will soon have done Ireland a great favour (no matter what the outcome of the McConville case is) - it will have helped to rid, from Irish politics, these two dynasaurs.