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Flexibility of course work one week then nothing till....
Tories should be creating jobs, if they want to people to do community work then they should start a firm government funded, with real wages and hours.
If people are living with their parents they should take zero hours but not people who have rent, debt and bills.
IDS is bald bully who was picked on at school no doubt.
I dont think there is anything wrong with zero hour contracts if it suits, but it is unreasonable to force unemployed people with commitments to accept them.
I cant imagine how anyone can think it is ok.
andrew wrote: Flexibility of course work one week then nothing till....
Tories should be creating jobs, if they want to people to do community work then they should start a firm government funded, with real wages and hours.
If people are living with their parents they should take zero hours but not people who have rent, debt and bills.
IDS is bald bully who was picked on at school no doubt.
honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote: I dont think there is anything wrong with zero hour contracts if it suits, but it is unreasonable to force unemployed people with commitments to accept them.
I cant imagine how anyone can think it is ok.
Then please explain HOW we are going to get these dolers to do something to make themselves employable?
In The Know wrote: honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote: I dont think there is anything wrong with zero hour contracts if it suits, but it is unreasonable to force unemployed people with commitments to accept them.
I cant imagine how anyone can think it is ok.
Then please explain HOW we are going to get these dolers to do something to make themselves employable?
There are plenty of people who wouldn't mind zero hour contract jobs, and they would have a better chance of getting one if the dole didn't send thousands of people who need a fixed income as an excuse to not pay them at all.
In The Know wrote: honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote: I dont think there is anything wrong with zero hour contracts if it suits, but it is unreasonable to force unemployed people with commitments to accept them.
I cant imagine how anyone can think it is ok.
Then please explain HOW we are going to get these dolers to do something to make themselves employable?
Get them in to full time work, government have no clue why scrap New Deal and bring it back with a new name Work Programme ? Forcing people in zero hour contract is wrong it's ok for claimants who live at home with their parents, not for claimants who got rent to pay.
Zero hour contracts will have people in debt and have CCJ's on their door, government said they create more jobs what about in the South East ?
Not for much longer, hedda - the election is just one year away, THEN we'll really start to squeeze !
I can't see them getting another term, still think Labour will win.
honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote: There are plenty of people who wouldn't mind zero hour contract jobs, and they would have a better chance of getting one if the dole didn't send thousands of people who need a fixed income as an excuse to not pay them at all.
With all due respect, honey! - you are avoiding the question !
Then please explain HOW we are going to get these dolers to do something to make themselves employable?
I know its difficult, but these people have only themselves to blame for their current situation - letting them "fester" even longer is not going to solve the problem, and IF they were employable they would have jobs right now.
They have to be forced to do something to improve their prospects.
If they are on zero hours at least they are "on the books" and training for when things improve further - and should be first in line for fuller time jobs when they become more available.
Let's remember - there are MORE people in work now than EVER before.
andrew wrote: I can't see them getting another term, still think Labour will win.
One year to go, andrew .... polling day is Thurs 7th May 2015 !
Labour has been in the lead for most of this parliament, but mostly only in single figures of percentage. On past form that is not enough to be certain of victory especially at a time when Ed Miliband lags behind David Cameron on leadership ratings and Labour is behind the Conservatives on economic competence.
Academic observers say Labour's edge is largely down to disillusioned defectors who voted for the Lib Dems in 2010. Mr Miliband's hopes of getting to Number 10 depend largely on how many of this group stick with him in 2015.
When it comes to the crunch, andrew - it will be vote for the one who is doing things, and not for the one who will turn the clock back and cause all the problems all over again !
In The Know wrote: honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote: There are plenty of people who wouldn't mind zero hour contract jobs, and they would have a better chance of getting one if the dole didn't send thousands of people who need a fixed income as an excuse to not pay them at all.
With all due respect, honey! - you are avoiding the question !
Then please explain HOW we are going to get these dolers to do something to make themselves employable?
I know its difficult, but these people have only themselves to blame for their current situation - letting them "fester" even longer is not going to solve the problem, and IF they were employable they would have jobs right now.
They have to be forced to do something to improve their prospects.
If they are on zero hours at least they are "on the books" and training for when things improve further - and should be first in line for fuller time jobs when they become more available.
Let's remember - there are MORE people in work now than EVER before.
You have avoided lots of my questions ITK, how it their fault they are on the dole I mean everyone claiming JSA, if we are on the books there are not enough spaces for everyone to be on these courses.
Also when I returned home taking dog out my door mat was had 15 envelopes addressed me each one containing a rejection letter, then I opened my inbox replies from companies saying the same thing.
In The Know (as always) wrote: andrew wrote: I can't see them getting another term, still think Labour will win.
One year to go, andrew .... polling day is Thurs 7th May 2015 !
Labour has been in the lead for most of this parliament, but mostly only in single figures of percentage. On past form that is not enough to be certain of victory especially at a time when Ed Miliband lags behind David Cameron on leadership ratings and Labour is behind the Conservatives on economic competence.
Academic observers say Labour's edge is largely down to disillusioned defectors who voted for the Lib Dems in 2010. Mr Miliband's hopes of getting to Number 10 depend largely on how many of this group stick with him in 2015.
When it comes to the crunch, andrew - it will be vote for the one who is doing things, and not for the one who will turn the clock back and cause all the problems all over again !
Five ... Ten more years !!!!
This means they need earn trust from UKIP supporters can't see it happening, David has brought this EU dilemma on himself, he wants stay in EU but promised the EU referendum to the public. He should of hushed his gums up.
In The Know wrote: honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote: There are plenty of people who wouldn't mind zero hour contract jobs, and they would have a better chance of getting one if the dole didn't send thousands of people who need a fixed income as an excuse to not pay them at all.
With all due respect, honey! - you are avoiding the question !
Then please explain HOW we are going to get these dolers to do something to make themselves employable?
I know its difficult, but these people have only themselves to blame for their current situation - letting them "fester" even longer is not going to solve the problem, and IF they were employable they would have jobs right now.
They have to be forced to do something to improve their prospects.
If they are on zero hours at least they are "on the books" and training for when things improve further - and should be first in line for fuller time jobs when they become more available.
Let's remember - there are MORE people in work now than EVER before.
I agree that it would be good for people who are desperate for work to be given a foot in the door, but it just isn't feasible for someone with dependents to be waiting two months for a top up benefit so they have enough to live on.
Also, for the workshy, zero hour contracts can be a cushy way to only work a few hours a week, be better off than on the on the dole, and not have to look for a full time job.
The last thing we want is to give them a license to fester surely?
andrew wrote: You have avoided lots of my questions ITK, how it their fault they are on the dole
They wasted the £50K we spent on their "education" for a start !
You keep saying the same old things, andrew - which is why I don't bother with them. If you want to bury you head, so be it - Barclays are sacking another 14,000 this year, and as they have a work ethic and experience THEY will be at the front of the queue.
Also when I returned home taking dog out my door mat was had 15 envelopes addressed me each one containing a rejection letter, then I opened my inbox replies from companies saying the same thing.
Well, at least you are getting replies (which some say they don't).
If I were an employer I would not employ someone who has been out of work for long - you never know whether they will "adapt" to work, do you?
If I were an employer I would not employ someone who has been out of work for long - you never know whether they will "adapt" to work, do you?
Get a job - any job - and keep applying.
This is what most dolers are doing anyway ITK, then we are stuck in a vicious circle which you is hard to get out of. Like many on the dole are doing unpaid work a few hours a week, so what next ?
They wasted the £50K we spent on their "education" for a start !
I know people who have degrees in science, law and engineering who are on the dole, that is hardly a waste of education.
In The Know wrote: ... but you STILL haven't come up with a solution, honey!
No. And this is why it is a good job I am not a politician. I can never make my mind up.
But my instincts are always against paying people to do (next to) nothing, because the more they depend on the state the less capable they become, despite good intentions.
Anyway, we cant afford it. It costs more than dole.
In The Know wrote: andrew wrote: You have avoided lots of my questions ITK, how it their fault they are on the dole
They wasted the £50K we spent on their "education" for a start !
You keep saying the same old things, andrew - which is why I don't bother with them. If you want to bury you head, so be it - Barclays are sacking another 14,000 this year, and as they have a work ethic and experience THEY will be at the front of the queue.
Also when I returned home taking dog out my door mat was had 15 envelopes addressed me each one containing a rejection letter, then I opened my inbox replies from companies saying the same thing.
Well, at least you are getting replies (which some say they don't).
If I were an employer I would not employ someone who has been out of work for long - you never know whether they will "adapt" to work, do you?
Get a job - any job - and keep applying.
I agree but would also suggest taking any voluntary work going. I am offered jobs left right and centre through it and I dont even want one.
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And this is why it is a good job I am not a politician. I can never make my mind up. 
