As predicted UKIP did very well in European election. I predict they won't win a seat in next year's General Election. Protest votes - been there; done that (I got 2350 votes in a by election). And of course there's an anti EU vote after the recession. "Shut borders, don't give money to foreigners, keep our money for ourselves" - it's a very commercial slogan, isn't it, for the brain dead, superficial society we are becoming?

And simply illustrates - DEMOCRACY doesn't work. Let the morons decide and you'll get disaster.

JK2006 wrote:
As predicted UKIP did very well in European election. I predict they won't win a seat in next year's General Election. Protest votes - been there; done that (I got 2350 votes in a by election). And of course there's an anti EU vote after the recession. "Shut borders, don't give money to foreigners, keep our money for ourselves" - it's a very commercial slogan, isn't it, for the brain dead, superficial society we are becoming?

And simply illustrates - DEMOCRACY doesn't work. Let the morons decide and you'll get disaster.

Biggest party in both France and Britain,both anti EU!
Can you tell me where in national election history this has happened before?
A protest vote in a by-election is one thing,this is far,far more.The Liberals reduced to fifth place,and this at a time of worldwide economic boom...well in all but the Eurozone....oh yes,now maybe there is your answer? People have now realized how bad the EU is performing.Just because you believe in The euro hasn't stopped it being an economic disaster.

A good job Clegg lost the referendum on voting reform,UKIP would have done much better had it have been supported....

Pattaya wrote:
JK2006 wrote:
As predicted UKIP did very well in European election. I predict they won't win a seat in next year's General Election. Protest votes - been there; done that (I got 2350 votes in a by election). And of course there's an anti EU vote after the recession. "Shut borders, don't give money to foreigners, keep our money for ourselves" - it's a very commercial slogan, isn't it, for the brain dead, superficial society we are becoming?

And simply illustrates - DEMOCRACY doesn't work. Let the morons decide and you'll get disaster.

Biggest party in both France and Britain,both anti EU!
Can you tell me where in national election history this has happened before?
A protest vote in a by-election is one thing,this is far,far more.The Liberals reduced to fifth place,and this at a time of worldwide economic boom...well in all but the Eurozone....oh yes,now maybe there is your answer? People have now realized how bad the EU is performing.Just because you believe in The euro hasn't stopped it being an economic disaster.

A good job Clegg lost the referendum on voting reform,UKIP would have done much better had it have been supported....

Greens did well, Libs are drips, BBC were upset were upset with UKIP doing so well.

No one is sceptical of a continent. The discussion will never be serious and constructive until everyone is taught to define their terms. Don't talk about 'Europe' - talk about specifics.

Pattaya wrote:
Can you tell me where in national election history this has happened before?


Yes ... at the LAST Euro elections, when the BNP actually won seats (on 6.2% of the vote) and claimed it was a "turning point" !!!

This time ? ...... Oblivion !

Talking about specifics about Europe?

- Do you want a tighter economic and social alliance with over 30 other sovereign nations? Really, do you?
- Do you want those 30 odd nations to ALL sing from the same hymn sheet and all become clones of each other? Do you really want to get rid of diversity?
- Do you really think that the trading block of Europe is actually stronger together nowadays, when the Chinese and Brazilians and South East Asians are able and willing to trade independently with anybody they choose with restriction?
- Do you really think that an alliance of Socialists, Capitalists, Communists, Conservatives and wierdos (others) are ever going to accept each others visions and have a clear direction of where Europe is going?

........The EEC was originally set-up to counter the unimaginable....another flare up between Germany and France..........so far it has, and long may that continue........It is easy to say the threat of another falling out is over.....but never say never (like removing those economic rules that were in place after the Great Depression, only to see them revoked recently and look what happened).....BUT WE NOW HAVE NATO for the integrated security policy, so maybe we can relax the social integration a little bit, and pour resource into NATO keeping the EURO PEACE by cooperation, and leave the financial and political integration to become more diverse again.....diversity breeds a bit more free thinking than political dogma.

And further more to the Mr King point

- Are the public thick? Are they really? I'm not so sure. Nobody is in any position in a free voting system to claim anyone else is any thicker than the next man...........its an equal vote.

To get rid of that system would mean introducing some controls, that is some form of 'golden vote' or 'political elite golden ticket' that can override the individual consensus if the vote is deemed erroneous.......THAT GOES AGAINST THE FIGHT OF THE COMMON MAN THROUGH HISTORY...........Suffrage, the Labour movement et al.......

History shows us lessons, and I hope we'd never lose the lessons of the 30's to extremism , but my view is that THE INDIVIDUAL will assure that outcome doesn't happen again............they'll get to the brink and pull back....the voters that is......NATO would intervene in a breakaway military coupe of a European nation (NATO I FIRMLY BELIEVE ARE THE STABILISING FACTOR OF PUTIN NOW TAKING 'A DOUBLE TAKE OF THE SITUATION') Ukraine might not think so, but NATO are backing the situation of the west, in my view

A true voice is a voice that speaks if it is disgruntled, and the EU nations are disgruntled at the moment....its up to the 'stable parties of Government' to think hard and come up with a new plan

In The Know wrote:
Pattaya wrote:
Can you tell me where in national election history this has happened before?


Yes ... at the LAST Euro elections, when the BNP actually won seats (on 6.2% of the vote) and claimed it was a "turning point" !!!

This time ? ...... Oblivion !

I was referring to the fact both The UK and French elections were won by anti EU parties,not a miserable 6%....The Looney Libs got 6%....what did you say about oblivion...?
Please quote in context,thanks.

Pattaya wrote:
I was referring to the fact both The UK and French elections were won by anti EU parties,not a miserable 6%....The Looney Libs got 6%....what did you say about oblivion...?
Please quote in context,thanks.

What you were refering to is that a nutter party got elected because the turnout was so small ....... and I was pointing out that when people see what they get, the rarely like it !

In The Know wrote:
Pattaya wrote:
I was referring to the fact both The UK and French elections were won by anti EU parties,not a miserable 6%....The Looney Libs got 6%....what did you say about oblivion...?
Please quote in context,thanks.

What you were refering to is that a nutter party got elected because the turnout was so small ....... and I was pointing out that when people see what they get, the rarely like it !

'Mr Farage has been celebrating his party's triumph in the European polls, the first time a party other than the Conservatives or Labour has won a national election for 100 years.'

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27567744

Turnout was 34.19% this year,34.7% in 2009.

As for nutter party.....wonder when Clegg will go? Seems he's rarely liked these days

Mr Reason wrote:
Talking about specifics about Europe?

- Do you want a tighter economic and social alliance with over 30 other sovereign nations? Really, do you?
- Do you want those 30 odd nations to ALL sing from the same hymn sheet and all become clones of each other? Do you really want to get rid of diversity?
- Do you really think that the trading block of Europe is actually stronger together nowadays, when the Chinese and Brazilians and South East Asians are able and willing to trade independently with anybody they choose with restriction?
- Do you really think that an alliance of Socialists, Capitalists, Communists, Conservatives and wierdos (others) are ever going to accept each others visions and have a clear direction of where Europe is going?

........The EEC was originally set-up to counter the unimaginable....another flare up between Germany and France..........so far it has, and long may that continue........It is easy to say the threat of another falling out is over.....but never say never (like removing those economic rules that were in place after the Great Depression, only to see them revoked recently and look what happened).....BUT WE NOW HAVE NATO for the integrated security policy, so maybe we can relax the social integration a little bit, and pour resource into NATO keeping the EURO PEACE by cooperation, and leave the financial and political integration to become more diverse again.....diversity breeds a bit more free thinking than political dogma.


What's all this 'do you?' Your ability to wildly misunderstand my posts is becoming quite irritating, as is your patronising tone.

Pattaya wrote:

Turnout was 34.19% this year,34.7% in 2009.


How can it be representative when 2/3 DIDN'T vote and the winners was chosen by only 1/3 of those who did vote ?

In The Know (as always) wrote:
Pattaya wrote:

Turnout was 34.19% this year,34.7% in 2009.


How can it be representative when 2/3 DIDN'T vote and the winners was chosen by only 1/3 of those who did vote ?

They got more than the losers...and how can part of the governing coalition claim to be representing the electorate when they came a very poor fifth on 6%?
You're given a chance,not voting is a choice.Greece forces peeps into the election booth,how would you vote if forced?

The fact is ITK it's a national election,not a by-election.I have no doubt things will change next year.
Tories and Labour too close to call,expect the Libs to come a pathetic fourth.

How long will Clegg last?