is probably a Lib Dem majority with Clegg as PM (not great but better than the other two wankers) with either Tories or Labour (I don't care which) as the junior partners in the coalition. Preferably a 60-40 balance. Sadly it won't happen. But neither will anything including UKIP.

The Lib Dem already held the balance of power and were more interested in taking off their yellow coats to show that underneath they were wearing blue. It still pains me last time I voted Lib Dem and felt it was the right thing to do. In one speech near the election Nick Clegg sounded good. My wife still has a go at me for doing so. Yet having a third party as the decider has often worked well in a number of European countries. Except in Hitler's case. I wish that the Lib Dem at least could learn the lesson from that piece of history to the power they had and used it for good and a positive approach. JK I beliece it is time to set up an entirely new party and movement. That is what I am suggesting.

Along with joining the Euro and encouraging any international fool who can fill out a benefit claim

It won't happen JK,because ordinary people don't live in dream worlds.They know crap when they see it,and they pay in falling wages,extra housing costs,and worse education as a result of the latter.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2784264...y-comply-policy.html

Clegg is a dreamer,a man who cannot learn from past mistakes...bit like The EU he so solidly supports.

The reason I support the EU, Patt, is not because I like it or consider it faultless; it's a mess but it is inevitable and the only way to go. Just like the Internet - some ghastly aspects and some great ones but it is inevitable. The human species has become global. It is global. It will eventually be managed and supported and controlled globally. Our enemies are not human and we need to band together to beat poverty, starvation, disease, global warming, Mother Nature and all the aspects that could kill of our race.

I think the EU is the only thing keeping Britain relatively sane.

Everything I have said since the late 70s has come to pass ( you know who I blame : MT) - a fucked society of the nouveau riche- God London is nothing like it used to be. I find it ghastly now (still looks wonderful, fabulous shops & restaurants but "society" ? pass the sick bag).

And elsewhere- huge communities of nasty drunken & drugged chavs and ITK's 'dolers'- these aren't the 'salt of the earth', they are greedy nob heads and there is millions of them.

The madness here is that the ITKs of the UK think it's as simple as "getting a job"- that simply shows those with some sort of power are almost brain dead.

Who would I vote for ? none of the c**ts and luckily I don't have to( I have my own lunatic to get rid of who fortunately will be gone within 12 months.

As for New Labour & the Tories- a pox on them. Only a ciggie paper of difference between them. Lib Dems ? they'll be decimated next. UKIP - a flash in the pan.

VOTE FOR PEDRO !!

Hedda I think the EU is the only thing keeping Britain relatively sane.
JK2006The reason I support the EU, Patt, is not because I like it or consider it faultless; it's a mess but it is inevitable and the only way to go. Just like the Internet - some ghastly aspects and some great ones but it is inevitable.
I agree with both. As to many policies of justice, unemployment, funding, housing ,jobs, urbanisation and movement of people within the EU, these policies should be EU wide decisions and directions. For EU citizens some cities and countries will be more attractive at times than others. So an acceptance is also needed.

The UK should should be 100% involved with a “can do” attitude. Justice for all. Social concern and economic success for all. This in or out and protecting the UK interests is actually destroying the UK more than succeeding. I see the Conservatives want to work towards “1984” type control with taking recourse away from the European Courts for example. And MT's belief in private enterprise as god's gift to mankind was totally flawed (Private enterprise is what history is all about wars, pirates and Britain's 1800's expansion by walking over many people). Freedom to be creative and have businesses and enterprise - great and a must. But it is accountability, control, openness and a full range of measures that bring positive change for all. Immigration I note is high in the minds of some on this site and quite right. If and when the EU gets better then the influx will increase as individuals from all over want a better life.

I suggest with all EU states working together they could do all reasonable steps to improve countries outside the UK so people do not want to move here. Maybe have Island states and blocks of land outside the EU where immigrants seeking entry into the EU not within the permitted criteria and thus have a humane place to house and look after, plus a step back into their original country or join the new state. (Just ideas to looking outward) An acknowledgement by the UK that the UK was a one of the main countries for doing much to expand into the world in the first place. With take, take and take again policies. Then moan when these same people come to our shores wanting a bit in return. Basically good organisation and dialogue and much could be done that would benefit all. Win win. This is brief and I will say no more in this post.

hedda wrote:
And elsewhere - huge communities of nasty drunken & drugged chavs and ITK's 'dolers'- these aren't the 'salt of the earth', they are greedy nob heads and there is millions of them.

My God ! - Hedda has woken-up !!!!!

The madness here is that the ITKs of the UK think it's as simple as "getting a job"-

At least they would be contributing to society NOT robbing it (of everything they can get their greedy little mitts on !)

They may also not knock out quite so many of their illegitimate offspring if they actually had to pay for them (or pay someone to look after them while they were at work)

JK2006 wrote:
The reason I support the EU, Patt, is not because I like it or consider it faultless; it's a mess but it is inevitable and the only way to go. Just like the Internet - some ghastly aspects and some great ones but it is inevitable. The human species has become global. It is global. It will eventually be managed and supported and controlled globally. Our enemies are not human and we need to band together to beat poverty, starvation, disease, global warming, Mother Nature and all the aspects that could kill of our race.

History is your friend JK,learn the lessons of The glory that was Rome...the 1950s remake is a poor sequel,and is sinking without trace