The lander on the comet; fantastic achievement - I love something like this, truly positive and uplifting. The stuff we can learn. Incredible.

300,000,000 miles .... can't get it into context.

Yet - we still cannot feed our own planet.

I'd like both please; let's feed the planet, let's ease misery and disease, let's go into space, let's do lots of positive things and let's NOT make war, kill people and hate others.

JK2006 wrote:
I'd like both please; let's feed the planet, let's ease misery and disease, let's go into space, let's do lots of positive things and let's NOT make war, kill people and hate others.

Without war and rivalry we wouldn't have most of the inventions we have now Mr King,especially Von Braun's space programme.

JK2006 wrote:
The lander on the comet; fantastic achievement - I love something like this, truly positive and uplifting. The stuff we can learn. Incredible.

I agree with JK, space exploration is a great thing. It be interesting where this comet will go, Voyager 1 is now in interstellar.

Voyager 1 recorded sounds of the planets, tell me what you think of Neptune.

Pattaya wrote:
JK2006 wrote:
I'd like both please; let's feed the planet, let's ease misery and disease, let's go into space, let's do lots of positive things and let's NOT make war, kill people and hate others.

Without war and rivalry we wouldn't have most of the inventions we have now Mr King,especially Von Braun's space programme.

Lazy argument, and specious, too. Where scientific research and inventions get channeled, initially, depends on the most urgent economic and political needs, but they don't CAUSE inventions, they merely influence their initial expression. You might as well say without peace we wouldn't have most of the inventions we have now. Science goes on regardless.

Pru wrote:
Pattaya wrote:
JK2006 wrote:
I'd like both please; let's feed the planet, let's ease misery and disease, let's go into space, let's do lots of positive things and let's NOT make war, kill people and hate others.

Without war and rivalry we wouldn't have most of the inventions we have now Mr King,especially Von Braun's space programme.

Lazy argument, and specious, too. Where scientific research and inventions get channeled, initially, depends on the most urgent economic and political needs, but they don't CAUSE inventions, they merely influence their initial expression. You might as well say without peace we wouldn't have most of the inventions we have now. Science goes on regardless.

Useless reply ignoring the facts!

Pattaya wrote:
Pru wrote:
Pattaya wrote:
JK2006 wrote:
I'd like both please; let's feed the planet, let's ease misery and disease, let's go into space, let's do lots of positive things and let's NOT make war, kill people and hate others.

Without war and rivalry we wouldn't have most of the inventions we have now Mr King,especially Von Braun's space programme.

Lazy argument, and specious, too. Where scientific research and inventions get channeled, initially, depends on the most urgent economic and political needs, but they don't CAUSE inventions, they merely influence their initial expression. You might as well say without peace we wouldn't have most of the inventions we have now. Science goes on regardless.

Useless reply ignoring the facts!

No, I'm afraid YOU'RE ignoring the meanings.

Yes, the real facts, to those who have studied the history of these things, is that the advent of, say, a war will impact on existing ongoing research and concentrate funds and minds on certain possible applications of this research, which, after a war, will then be redirected back to more general and pacific applications. It's not as if scientists haven't been thinking of such things before the intrusion of a war, and then suddenly start a frenzied bout of thinking. What happens is that the people driving a war will seek out existing work that can be bent to suit their needs. So the idea that war and rivalry as such 'cause' inventions that wouldn't otherwise have been invented is indeed specious. If anything, such phenomena DELAY the constructive use of scientific exploration and insights. The ongoing investigations are basically shunted off course, restricted to very specific martial needs, and then allowed to go back on course again. So only the most shortsighted of views would conclude that war and 'rivalry,' defined as vaguely as this, are in some sense 'crucial'. And I must say, it's rather revealing that someone would want to claim the contrary.

Pru wrote:
Pattaya wrote:
Pru wrote:
Pattaya wrote:
JK2006 wrote:
I'd like both please; let's feed the planet, let's ease misery and disease, let's go into space, let's do lots of positive things and let's NOT make war, kill people and hate others.

Without war and rivalry we wouldn't have most of the inventions we have now Mr King,especially Von Braun's space programme.

Lazy argument, and specious, too. Where scientific research and inventions get channeled, initially, depends on the most urgent economic and political needs, but they don't CAUSE inventions, they merely influence their initial expression. You might as well say without peace we wouldn't have most of the inventions we have now. Science goes on regardless.

Useless reply ignoring the facts!

No, I'm afraid YOU'RE ignoring the meanings.

It can be twisted and turned any which way...but the solid fact here is war will almost always intensify research in general that peace time cannot match.
True certain areas receive more attention,but the overall level of research is higher....and it certainly is not in dispute that rocket science advanced far more during world war 2 than it could ever do in peacetime...and add the cold war into the equation and we are far more advanced now than we would have been....it's all peacetime now...how far advanced has the space programme got since the cold war ended...?

Still gripped by the twists and turns - will the battery go flat with no solar energy? Don't they have backup packs? Messages from 300 million miles! It boggles the mind.