Despite the jury finding Jimmy Savile NOT guilty on the one charge, the media coverage is that this proves how guilty Savile was. Incredible.

Was Teret guilty? I have no idea. Never met him or anyone else involved. But my experiences make me sceptical. Do the women "victims" believe they were raped? I'm sure they do. But that doesn't make it true. Time, memory, changing times, different media approaches affect the mind.

I know it's hard to accept in this new era, but groupies were not only proud and delighted but did anything they could to "pull" the stars in the 60s and 70s.

The police made it sound like a Michael Jackson hologram show - 'This is probably the nearest we will get to putting Jimmy Savile on trial'. It wasn't really about Teret at all.

Grrrrrrr, sometimes wonder if all this hard work is worth it, 2 steps forward three back

After a lot of work by the defence team to (successfully) disprove all the allegation, this was another case of the prosecution moving the dates after defence had been presented.

Now, call me pessimistic but if a man can face not allegations with no evidence, no forensics 50 years after the event, defend those allegations only to then have the jury directed that the crimes could have happened anytime after or before, it is a case that these cases are completely impossible to defend.

I am truly shocked to learn that in the 70s and 80s females did what they could to sleep with pop-stars.

Described in this article as "Jimmy Savile's partner in crime" where in fact the truth is the opposite.


I wonder how many other trials she has booked this week?? Maybe she will drop in on Gary Glitter!!

www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html

Mentioned in one or two reports (below buried away in the BBC coverage)… wonder why these details are not considered "good stories" by the media?

Teret, who was mentored by Savile in the early days of his career, was cleared of a number of other charges.
He was found not guilty of aiding and abetting Savile to rape a 15-year-old girl in the early 1960s.
Alan Ledger, 62, also from Altrincham, was found not guilty of a serious sex assault, not guilty of two indecent assaults and not guilty of one count of indecency with a child.
William Harper, 65, from Stretford was cleared of one count of attempted rape.

giles2008 wrote:
Described in this article as "Jimmy Savile's partner in crime" where in fact the truth is the opposite.


I wonder how many other trials she has booked this week?? Maybe she will drop in on Gary Glitter!!

www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html

GG will be innocent on any claims brought forwards now, he has done time in the UK and abroad he moved near my parents flat in Hythe.

His "not guilty" pleas were turned around by his own remark "I have no interest in girls of that age".

So in that case why did he have an interest in "a girl of that age" in 1999?

Sounds a complete idiot akin to Stuart Hall.

He probably didn't in 1999 either. The judicial system is broken.

A woman speaking out after waiving her right to anonymity.

www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-manchester-30175498

Jo wrote:
A woman speaking out after waiving her right to anonymity.

www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-manchester-30175498


I was twelve in 1972 too, and I could have sworn that you couldn't work until thirteen, unless you arranged it with the council for things like theatre work.
I can't imagine them granting permission to work in a record shop. Maybe it was different in each area?

Also... I'm sorry for anyone who is persuaded to do something they don't want to, and I am not suggesting that someone so young should be in a sexual situation at all, but if you (repeatedly) "go along with it" it jolly well isn't rape.

honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
Jo wrote:
A woman speaking out after waiving her right to anonymity.

www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-manchester-30175498


I was twelve in 1972 too, and I could have sworn that you couldn't work until thirteen, unless you arranged it with the council for things like theatre work.
I can't imagine them granting permission to work in a record shop. Maybe it was different in each area?

Also... I'm sorry for anyone who is persuaded to do something they don't want to, and I am not suggesting that someone so young should be in a sexual situation at all, but if you (repeatedly) "go along with it" it jolly well isn't rape.

When people say they was working when they was '12' it means they were working in their parents DIY shop on Saturdays.

25 years - a little excessive - looks like they are taking it out on him because they cannot imprison Savile.

There's really no point in repeating that society has gone crazy. If we are happy with this kind of situation, we deserve everything that happens to us.

It is surely time (as they have in America) for a Statute of Limitations to be introduced for Criminal cases. Criminal matters are supposed to reach a standard of 'beyond reasonable doubt' that is to say beyond a shadow of a doubt. After forty or fifty years that level is surely impossible. We also need to return to the previous standard of evidence where similar fact evidence is not admissible by way of corroboration; it is not evidence of anything material to the trial.

Times (as JK says) were different then and it is surely wrong to judge the past by the standards of the present. Old movies can be very informative in this regard. Consider the 1969 'What's good for the Goose' where Norman Wisdom gives a lift to two teeny-boppers one played by a very young and dare I say delightful Sally Geeson. SHE seduces Wisdom and then abandons him for a lad nearer her own age; she sees sex as fun and liberating and mocks Norman for being a bit upset that he has been dumped. Amazingly, Wisdom's screen wife likes the new liberated Norman and their marriage is rejuvenated. The End. Could they remake that now?

When I started working full-time about 20 years ago, I came across a mentality in some power-crazy little men I hadn't experienced before - people who thought of themselves as nice, popular blokes but would make it their business to pick people off in the workplace and destroy them. To me, it was alien - I thought that however irritating (or worse) people were, everyone is somebody's son (or daughter), grandson or father etc etc.
Yet this senseless punitive mindset seems to have swamped the nation. I can't relate to these Daleks at all, and nor would I want to.

Not even legal professionals can understand the hefty sentence handed down to poor wrongly-convicted Ray Teret.
ukcriminallawblog.com/2014/12/11/ray-ter...storic-sex-offences/

Let's not declare him innocent Chris; we don't know. I DO know in my case - I was there. But sadly, until the courts decide, Teret is guilty under (broken) British Justice.

honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
Jo wrote:
A woman speaking out after waiving her right to anonymity.

www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-manchester-30175498


I was twelve in 1972 too, and I could have sworn that you couldn't work until thirteen, unless you arranged it with the council for things like theatre work.
I can't imagine them granting permission to work in a record shop. Maybe it was different in each area?

Also... I'm sorry for anyone who is persuaded to do something they don't want to, and I am not suggesting that someone so young should be in a sexual situation at all, but if you (repeatedly) "go along with it" it jolly well isn't rape.

When I was 13 and started a paperround, I had to have a certificate from the council as 'permission to work'.

JK2006 wrote:
Let's not declare him innocent Chris; we don't know. I DO know in my case - I was there. But sadly, until the courts decide, Teret is guilty under (broken) British Justice.

There's a town near me called Worksop.

There's a street that has the big police station. Next to it, is a solicitors office. Next to that are the courts. It's a processing factory, akin to any other factory. Justice isn't about people, it's about money, it's about paperwork. You go in one, get processed in the other, then thrown out by the end, branded a criminal or not, or maybe sent to a bigger court if that one can't deal with you.

Look up Potter Street, Worksop on Google Maps.