Interesting that the BBC article omits any mention of Ghislaine Maxwell, who features prominently in the Daily Mail coverage:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2894480...rt-papers-claim.html

I bet the Daily Mirror does too !

And see the It's Going To Get Worse thread...

" forced by Epstein to have sex with the prince when she was a minor"

How does a third party force you to have sex with someone else? Surely you would just say to your punter "I am being coerced, please call the police" ? Or just "Eff off" ?
I don't like the way these stories portray young women as helpless morons without a will of their own and completely controlled by men.

honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
" forced by Epstein to have sex with the prince when she was a minor"

How does a third party force you to have sex with someone else? Surely you would just say to your punter "I am being coerced, please call the police" ? Or just "Eff off" ?
I don't like the way these stories portray young women as helpless morons without a will of their own and completely controlled by men.

I don't buy the coercion story. I reckon that after earning thousands jetting around the world as highly paid prostitutes, these women have found that since they are no longer paid as much to provide their services (having reached an age where they are no longer as much in demand), that by portraying themselves as having been victims, they can make a fortune from claiming compensation, or selling the story to the media.

Mature men like immature gels like mature men, c'est la vie.

What else is new?

Andy wrote:
honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
" forced by Epstein to have sex with the prince when she was a minor"

How does a third party force you to have sex with someone else? Surely you would just say to your punter "I am being coerced, please call the police" ? Or just "Eff off" ?
I don't like the way these stories portray young women as helpless morons without a will of their own and completely controlled by men.

I don't buy the coercion story. I reckon that after earning thousands jetting around the world as highly paid prostitutes, these women have found that since they are no longer paid as much to provide their services (having reached an age where they are no longer as much in demand), that by portraying themselves as having been victims, they can make a fortune from claiming compensation, or selling the story to the media.

Or they have a different and respectable lifestyle now and cant bear to take responsibility for their mistake.
Everything is somebody else's fault these days.

Andy wrote:
honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
" forced by Epstein to have sex with the prince when she was a minor"

How does a third party force you to have sex with someone else? Surely you would just say to your punter "I am being coerced, please call the police" ? Or just "Eff off" ?
I don't like the way these stories portray young women as helpless morons without a will of their own and completely controlled by men.

I don't buy the coercion story. I reckon that after earning thousands jetting around the world as highly paid prostitutes, these women have found that since they are no longer paid as much to provide their services (having reached an age where they are no longer as much in demand), that by portraying themselves as having been victims, they can make a fortune from claiming compensation, or selling the story to the media.

Now the photos emerge .....

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2895719...-sexual-contact.html

She is described as a "masseuse" .... why was he being intriduced to a masseuse?
Perhaps she was giving him business advice !!!!!!!

honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
" forced by Epstein to have sex with the prince when she was a minor"

How does a third party force you to have sex with someone else? Surely you would just say to your punter "I am being coerced, please call the police" ? Or just "Eff off" ?
I don't like the way these stories portray young women as helpless morons without a will of their own and completely controlled by men.

and importantly..how do you get your sex slave through immigration & customs and what do they write down as occupation?

hedda wrote:

and importantly..how do you get your sex slave through immigration & customs

... private yacht? ... or private jet ?

and what do they write down as occupation?

Masseuse !

From someone who is making sure to tweet every report about this, what's the word for a comment like this?

"certainly needs throughly investigating - would be wrong to comment more at this time"
twitter.com/mwilliamsthomas/status/551482219634913280

Jo wrote:
From someone who is making sure to tweet every report about this, what's the word for a comment like this?

"certainly needs throughly investigating - would be wrong to comment more at this time"
twitter.com/mwilliamsthomas/status/551482219634913280



Is "prickish" a real word?

I thought he had been sacked from his trade "job" - whats he doing in Davos ?

I notice the continued denials (but he's NOT going to be appearing in Court though !)

In The Know (as always) wrote:
hedda wrote:

and importantly..how do you get your sex slave through immigration & customs

... private yacht? ... or private jet ?

and what do they write down as occupation?

Masseuse !

Obviously ITK has never heard of Customs & Immigration which even the Royal Family & Heads Of State must go through.

No wonder the Tories are a mess

hedda wrote:

Obviously ITK has never heard of Customs & Immigration which even the Royal Family & Heads Of State must go through.

I volunteer to use the rubber gloves on then !!!!

Been wracking my brain, but I'll ask hedda (as he was around at the time).

Andrew - if he ever does agree to face Court - will not be the first Royal to appear before the dock (and I'm not talking of Anne's speeding charge in Derbyshire).

One of the Edwards - can't remember his number, but the fat one who took over from Victoria - once appeared in a divorce case didn't he? (named by the "other woman")

hedda will remember - he probably covered it !

In The Know wrote:
One of the Edwards - can't remember his number, but the fat one who took over from Victoria - once appeared in a divorce case didn't he? (named by the "other woman")

hedda will remember - he probably covered it !

Its was Lady Mordaunt, hedda - just remembered .... they had her sent to the nut house !

==

A conspiracy?

The convenient finding of insanity inevitably gave rise to suspicions that there was a conspiracy to silence Lady Mordaunt. Reynold’s News, for example, asked why the Prince ("a young married man") should have been "so eager to pay weekly visits to a young married woman when her husband was absent, if it was all so innocent?"

There is some evidence that the Establishment closed ranks at a time when republican sympathies in Britain and Ireland had been aroused by Queen Victoria’s virtual withdrawal from public life. It seems that, in advance of the trial, the Prince's Household received private assurances that his position would be protected as far as possible, and, some years later, his private secretary, Francis Knollys, recalled that the Prime Minister William Gladstone had been involved indirectly "and successfully" behind the scenes.

The Queen strongly disapproved of her son's (and daughter-in-law's) lifestyle, writing to her eldest daughter, the Crown Princess of Prussia, on 2 March 1870 that "they lead far too frivolous a life and are far too intimate with people - with a small set of not the best and wisest people who consider being fast the right thing". She seemed especially concerned (with, as Roy Hattersley has put it, "admirable understanding of the moral superiority of the lower orders of society") that the affair could damage the Prince's reputation in the eyes of "the middle and lower classes". However, Victoria seems to have been convinced of her son's innocence regarding Lady Mordaunt and remained staunch in his defence, as did Alexandra, who described him to her sister-in-law Princess Louise as "my naughty little man", but was nonetheless deeply hurt by the affair. For his part, Gladstone observed rather despairingly to his Colonial Secretary, Lord Granville, that "in rude and general terms, the Queen is invisible and the Prince of Wales is not respected".

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harriet_Mordaunt#A_conspiracy.3F

any Royal could claim diplomatic immunity.

No Royal would EVER appear in court (remember Diana's butler?)

besides, Alan Dershowitz will demolish these claims and do I have to remind you again : Andrew has not been accused of any crime- it is claimed he had sex with a 17 year old in 3 locations where 17 is a legal age.

## yes I recall Lady Mordaun Reynold's cocktail parties (until she threw me out)
Indeed it was me who advised William Gladstone and his being involved indirectly "and successfully" behind the scenes was at my direction.

Queen Victoria personally thanked me at an afternoon tea & scones party but also banished me from ever revealing my role in probably saving the Empire (and her marriage to Albert) and I have never have or ever will.

hedda wrote:
yes I recall Lady Mordaun Reynold's cocktail parties (until she threw me out)
Indeed it was me who advised William Gladstone and his being involved indirectly "and successfully" behind the scenes was at my direction.

Queen Victoria personally thanked me at an afternoon tea & scones party but also banished me from ever revealing my role in probably saving the Empire (and her marriage to Albert) and I have never have or ever will.

I thought you'd have been there.

... btw Albert was dead by then !!!!!!

In The Know wrote:
hedda wrote:
yes I recall Lady Mordaun Reynold's cocktail parties (until she threw me out)
Indeed it was me who advised William Gladstone and his being involved indirectly "and successfully" behind the scenes was at my direction.

Queen Victoria personally thanked me at an afternoon tea & scones party but also banished me from ever revealing my role in probably saving the Empire (and her marriage to Albert) and I have never have or ever will.

I thought you'd have been there.

... btw Albert was dead by then !!!!!!

so you think. My plan to make Victoria appear as the grieving widow and most beloved royal succeeded beyond all expectations.

I have now been commissioned to do likewise with the Duchess of Cornwall (minus widow bit)