Best and nastiest paper in Britain.

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-28981...es-MELISSA-KITE.html

JK2006 wrote:
Best and nastiest paper in Britain.

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-28981...es-MELISSA-KITE.html

Good article and yes the unanswered question why wasn't his mate convicted...was he not high profile enough ?

You CANNOT force people to buy something .... you cannot force people to support your football club.

This article is little more than a re-hash of the trial.

If people don't want him, they don't want him !

Can you image the backlash if he did play for a team?
The opposing supporters would have a field day.

"Daddy" asked the young supporter "whats a rapist?"

In The Know (as always) wrote:
You CANNOT force people to buy something .... you cannot force people to support your football club.

This article is little more than a re-hash of the trial.

If people don't want him, they don't want him !

Can you image the backlash if he did play for a team?
The opposing supporters would have a field day.

"Daddy" asked the young supporter "whats a rapist?"

Funny thing ITK,you're very scathing about the proletariat in the street,their shopping habits et al,but seem quite supportive of their rights here?

...the truth of this matter is that a small but vocal minority who quite possibly have no support of any particular club have made such a noise it's scared off potential club sponsors.

Good article here too
hat4uk.wordpress.com/2015/01/07/ched-eva...he-mainstream-media/

I have no idea whether Ched Evans is guilty or innocent. He's been FOUND guilty in a Court of Law but we all know the system is broken (I'm amazed by how little media coverage is given to successful appeals and reversed convictions). But the principle of vindictive punishment long after the legal sentence is unfair and not decent.

It's gone on for years, of course. Christians vs Lions and so on. There's a side of human nature that loves witnessing death, shame, cruelty, punishment. I've witnessed the majority of media attempting to silence me since my conviction. Fortunately for me, online emerged solely (I'm convinced) to give me an outlet for my opinions. So I've been able to publish and sell books, make films viewed by millions and pontificate here at length (as opposed to elsewhere in 140 characters).

And compare with the "liberal' Guardian; not with harpy Moore it's not.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/j...ogise-rehabilitation

Deal has been done, glad to hear the feminists have lost.


www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30681333

Pattaya wrote:
Funny thing ITK,you're very scathing about the proletariat in the street,their shopping habits et al,but seem quite supportive of their rights here?

...the truth of this matter is that a small but vocal minority who quite possibly have no support of any particular club have made such a noise it's scared off potential club sponsors.

I have no allegiance either way .... just pointing out that when (its 45,000 now !) people sign a petition (which is far far more than the number who ever attend an Oldham match !) you had better be careful otherwise you alienate an enormous potential crowd.

My sources tell me that Evans will probably still join Oldham - they seem willing to take the risk.

I can see this running ... with advertisers and sponsors NOT supporting any match involving Oldham.

Shall we discuss again AFTER Oldham has gone into liquidation ?

No Andrew - they haven't given up yet and will make life pretty unpleasant for both Ched and the brave club. The green ink brigade (and I suspect, ITK, you may be a member) are obsessive in their lunacy. Of course they will always get hundreds of thousands to go along with their silly petitions (why not? It's so easy, costs nothing and is a good story) while far fewer will rouse themselves to shout "this is unfair" - they are too busy living. I wouldn't bother to sign a "this is unfair" petition either, though I think it is. Because, contrary to general opinion, I'm not a loud voiced loony who is prepared to pontificate publicly about everything despite knowing nothing and thinking less.

The critical reaction here will be that of Sports Direct International, the club's major sponsor - a FTSE 100 company with a c£2.2 billion turnover and about 500 shops.

If Mike Ashley (major shareholder) decides to support the signing, it might just work out. Money talks - and Ashley is a shrewd billionaire who also owns Newcastle United with a share in Glasgow Rangers.

andrew wrote:
Deal has been done, glad to hear the feminists have lost.



... and the sponsors are quitting in droves already !

A major sponsor has threatened to withdraw its support from Oldham Athletic Football Club if they complete the signing of convicted rapist Ched Evans.

ZenOffice made the threat amid reports the 26-year-old has already agreed personal terms and could be in the squad for Saturday�s game against Doncaster.

The company said in a statement it had sponsored League One Oldham for five years and the relationship was based on �mutual respect� and the fact they shared the same �family and community� values.

But it warned: �ZenOffice do not agree that the current path OAFC are embarking on espouses these values.

�Therefore it is with much regret that ZenOffice would like to confirm that we will end our association with Oldham if the move goes ahead to sign Ched Evans.�

news.sky.com/story/1403697/sponsors-last...ning-over-evans-deal

One sponsor, Verlin Rainwater Solutions, has now ended its association with the club as a result.

Director Craig Verling said the "imminent signing" of Evans, 26, had prompted the decision.

He added: "We would like to take this opportunity to make clear that we feel that Mr Evans should be able to lead a life without further punishment after serving his sentence, although our feelings remain the same that this should not be within the public domain where his previous behaviour may influence the next generation.

"We sincerely wish the club a very successful future and have no regrets about being associated with Oldham Athletic over the past few seasons, but feel our continued support would be sending out the wrong message."

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30681333

In The Know (as always) wrote:
andrew wrote:
Deal has been done, glad to hear the feminists have lost.



... and the sponsors are quitting in droves already !

A major sponsor has threatened to withdraw its support from Oldham Athletic Football Club if they complete the signing of convicted rapist Ched Evans.

ZenOffice made the threat amid reports the 26-year-old has already agreed personal terms and could be in the squad for Saturday’s game against Doncaster.

The company said in a statement it had sponsored League One Oldham for five years and the relationship was based on “mutual respect” and the fact they shared the same “family and community” values.

But it warned: “ZenOffice do not agree that the current path OAFC are embarking on espouses these values.

“Therefore it is with much regret that ZenOffice would like to confirm that we will end our association with Oldham if the move goes ahead to sign Ched Evans.”

news.sky.com/story/1403697/sponsors-last...ning-over-evans-deal

One sponsor, Verlin Rainwater Solutions, has now ended its association with the club as a result.

Director Craig Verling said the "imminent signing" of Evans, 26, had prompted the decision.

He added: "We would like to take this opportunity to make clear that we feel that Mr Evans should be able to lead a life without further punishment after serving his sentence, although our feelings remain the same that this should not be within the public domain where his previous behaviour may influence the next generation.

"We sincerely wish the club a very successful future and have no regrets about being associated with Oldham Athletic over the past few seasons, but feel our continued support would be sending out the wrong message."

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30681333

I wonder how many times the people have signed the petition by entering false details. Seems the fans are backing him also, no cared when Marlon King played straight after his release from prison. If I was a Oldham supporter I wouldn't care who they signed along as they scored.

If I understand you right ITK, you're not advocating mob rule, just saying you predict it will win in the end? That the green ink brigade, with its new power, can influence virtually everything these days?

andrew wrote:
Seems the fans are backing him also, no cared when Marlon King played straight after his release from prison. If I was a Oldham supporter I wouldn't care who they signed along as they scored.

Now Mecca Bingo pull out - twitter.com/MeccaBingo/status/552084329732788224

.... and Vera Baird (who is Northumbria Police Commissioner, and from Oldham) asks Mike Ashley to pull all Sports Direct funding.

Oblivion awaits Oldham Athletic !

JK2006 wrote:
If I understand you right ITK, you're not advocating mob rule, just saying you predict it will win in the end? That the green ink brigade, with its new power, can influence virtually everything these days?

Just reporting the facts, JK !

I don't think it is "the green ink brigade" - I think its ordinary people who are allowed an opinion (on where they spend their money) and are not keen on rewarding rapists.

The exact same thing could be said of Gary Glitter et al ... people are not flocking to buy their records anymore, are they?

Am in favour of total support for the French magazine (we should never give in to mob rule !!) - but I agree with the protesters over Evans - he should get on with his life but that doesn't mean rewarding him with a highly paid job where he will be a role model for impressionable young people.

He has shown NO remorse ... and even the Attorney-General is probing his website now !

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30698382

Oldham must be very very desperate ....

You're quite right about censorship and people whether rightly or wrongly convicted getting pushed out of mainstream society; it does happen to more than just footballers. You think it's a good thing; I think it's bad and unfair.

And yes it's ordinary people who make up the green ink brigade. I believe that ordinary people who don't hold strong views tend not to comment or sign petitions or scream and shout. The ordinary people who DO hold strong views are entitled to be heard too. But assuming they are the majority because they make more noise simply says those who shout loudest are the best ones to rule. If you agree with that, I think you're deluded.

JK2006 wrote:
But assuming they are the majority because they make more noise simply says those who shout loudest are the best ones to rule. If you agree with that, I think you're deluded.

No, I don't think that - far from it.

BUT I do think that if you are running a business, to ignore the wishes of 65,000 potential clients (in Oldham's case - or 160,000 potential clients in Sheffield United's case) is commercial suicide.

And when your "backers" are quitting in droves the writing is clearly on the wall !

You seem to think that the majority - who haven't signed the petition - must be against the aims of the petition, which may not be the case. (I haven't signed it - I don't even know where it is!!!!). Maybe they agree entirely with the aims and feel that enough have signed already for its aims to be achieved?

Football supporters (not known for their intelligence) just love to "taunt" the opposite side.

What do you think Oldham's opponents will be shouting in future (.... and I don't think it will be "latics") ?

In The Know (as always) wrote:
JK2006 wrote:
If I understand you right ITK, you're not advocating mob rule, just saying you predict it will win in the end? That the green ink brigade, with its new power, can influence virtually everything these days?

Just reporting the facts, JK !

I don't think it is "the green ink brigade" - I think its ordinary people who are allowed an opinion (on where they spend their money) and are not keen on rewarding rapists.

The exact same thing could be said of Gary Glitter et al ... people are not flocking to buy their records anymore, are they?

Am in favour of total support for the French magazine (we should never give in to mob rule !!) - but I agree with the protesters over Evans - he should get on with his life but that doesn't mean rewarding him with a highly paid job where he will be a role model for impressionable young people.

He has shown NO remorse ... and even the Attorney-General is probing his website now !

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30698382

Oldham must be very very desperate ....

Well he did score a lot of for Sheffield United and a free player...plus League 1 players only about £745 a week.