www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30710883

Committed by those who oppose the freedoms we hold so dear...Opening our boarders to those who will not respect our culture is the ultimate in stupidity...people are dead because of this.

Hear, hear.

Pattaya wrote:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30710883

Committed by those who oppose the freedoms we hold so dear...Opening our boarders to those who will not respect our culture is the ultimate in stupidity...people are dead because of this.


But JK thinks we should open up all our boarders...

For a start, it's not BOARDERS but BORDERS that need opening (it's like being back at BOARDING school). Yes; this has nothing to do with keeping the mad people out; believe me, opening our borders will make no difference to terrorists who are born and bred everywhere, every skin colour, every religion.

I know what borders are! Pat may not.


'Make no difference to terrorists' - ?

Letting them travel wherever they wish, no questions asked...

Could never agree.

Terrorists will be born, bred and developed everywhere and keeping borders closed would have no impact whatsoever. Terrorists tend not to wander through borders with "terrorist" on their passports.

Maybe we should give terrorists passports then - just to make their lives a bit easier.

Oh I suspect they already have them, don't you?

JK2006 wrote:
Oh I suspect they already have them, don't you?

These will be first or second generation immigrants or similar...the millions of rabid Islamists do not belong here,it's not good for them,or us.
If they have passports then they should never have been given.It may be too late to change that,but do not let any more in!

If you look at Israel,they stopped giving visas to Arabs,as most of the suicide bombers there a few years ago were people who came in to marry existing Arabs...not very fair,but it did stop the suicide bombing...sometimes common sense is more important than being PC...or a dreamer...the real world is often far better understood by those who live in it.

Pattaya wrote:
Israel,they stopped giving visas to Arabs


Such a broad statement - without evidence.


When - what countries?


Links...

as I frequently point out : the greatest terrorist act in Australia where 35 people were massacred in Port Arthur was perpetuated by a blond blue-eyed Christian of British extraction.


but I'm all for the idea of opening up boarders.

SP17 wrote:
Pattaya wrote:
Israel,they stopped giving visas to Arabs


Such a broad statement - without evidence.


When - what countries?


Links...

www.nytimes.com/1987/07/13/world/israeli...-families-apart.html

Said Kouachi...and brother...from Paris...along with his brother...oh and another geezer with a very Arabic name....what ye will always get,if you let in people who put their Muslim faith before their belief in the country your ancestors fought to keep free!...
.. in fact,let in enough of them and how long before they force you to cover the faces of your daughters?...Democracy is the will of the people,open borders,enough come,the people change so does the will!

I often link people who think we should have open immigration with the Labour government back in 2004...you know the ones who estimated about 13,000 would come!...they just have no idea of how modern technology has made it so easy to travel,and how easy it is to research all you need to survive.

You obviously feel the French magazine killings are and should remain a French problem. I consider them a human problem. When you murder people you murder us all. A united front against mad people should know no borders. Not In My Backyard is a popular and wide spread attitude but not one that I agree with.

JK2006 wrote:
You obviously feel the French magazine killings are and should remain a French problem. I consider them a human problem. When you murder people you murder us all. A united front against mad people should know no borders. Not In My Backyard is a popular and wide spread attitude but not one that I agree with.

Those murders are very much a problem for us all....we may all suffer the same fate if we do not take appropriate action...and I somehow feel letting in more radical Muslims is not exactly going to help the situation.

Killing in the name of religion. Nothing has changed. Christians were doing it hundreds of years ago!

Yes indeed Patt; letting in more radical Muslims may not help. Or, then again, it may; some of those radical Muslims may strongly feel that violence is the wrong way and may urge their followers to take peaceful routes. And some future terrorists are being born and brought up right here as we speak. Others will emerge in other ways. Borders are not the answer to the problem (and Muslims are not the problem; just as Christians aren't or Buddhists or Moonies). Extremists and mad people are the problem. Of all races, skin colours and faiths. Concentrating on one tiny area of blame will not only NOT solve problems; it takes the eye of balls which need catching before they blow up.

Anders Behring Breivik Norway's non muslim mass murderer. Various times of school mass killings and other mad individuals over the last decade or two highlight it is not a muslim thing. Just 'the mad' need a platform for their madness.
Immigration control should be a thing of maintaining control of numbers that a country can manage relating to jobs and resources and so forth. Political asylum and other needs such as family should be respected. That is the United Nations convention of human rights. That means not detaining illegals in an in human way such as the UK does.
My suggestions are detaining by all means within the country of arrival and established communities throughout the world in a human and respectful manner so people can be returned where possible. Pressure put on countries showing disregard to human rights. And in the geniune cases resettlement. And slso an acceptance that there will be people who will not have an identifiable country to return to and so on.
Real key to stopping the flood of refugees is to ensure everyone everywhere is free to visit their local vegetarian or Macdonalds to eat from time to time with the resurces to do so. Then the anger and so forth will be less. That is quality of life for all is everyone's business. That means country debt cancelation. Investment in local housing and farming. Good governemnt to ensure a well understood community with good rules. So it is the UK's interest to ensure by every practical and reasonable means possible other countries do well for themselves so people will not need to leave family and friends to find a life elsewhere. Positive investment as opposed to drones murdering indiscriminately is what is needed.
What we do not need is a Nazi style race hatred uprising. That is the negative approach.
Goal is to identify and minimise the crazies early on. Including not willy nilly giving people with mental problems drugs that cause people to go on shooting rampages.
So I personally do not agree with JK on completely open borders. But he could be right as well. But I do agree on respect for people and positive identication of crazies. Remember Anders Behring Breivik in Norway did not appear to have any reason, money or otherwise for his actions.

JK2006 wrote:
Extremists and mad people are the problem. Of all races, skin colours and faiths. Concentrating on one tiny area of blame will not only NOT solve problems; it takes the eye of balls which need catching before they blow up.

Agreed ... but there are two sides to every coin.

The festering sore of Palestine has NOT been solved by any other means - despite half a century of trying.

I suspect these people are driven to such extremes by the lack of hope of achieving the right and fair result by any other means.

I do not agree with terrorism - but you have to admit it can often work. (The Yankers fled Vietnam when the Viet Cong made it too hot for them. The IRA are now part of the government in Ireland. The ANC won in South Africa, as did the Sandinistas in South America).

If you drive people into a corner, and offer them no hope or escape - you should not be very surprised when they act in this way.

A suicide bomber, for example, is so devoid of hope that he is prepared to die !

Not devoid of hope at all; he or she is hoping for change in society - and getting their hands on all those willing virgins.