A good new law; do everything possible to put people off (though why anybody would smoke is totally beyond me).

JK2006 wrote:
A good new law; do everything possible to put people off (though why anybody would smoke is totally beyond me).

I think it might make them seem more mysterious and "bad" and so encourage children to smoke.

I have no idea why anyone would want to smoke. I have never tried, so I imagine cigarettes must taste a heck of a lot different to the foul stuff that wafts all over the place?

Hate smoking, but surely they'll just sell flashy covers for fags like they do for mobile phones and the warnings won't be seen. If you don't want people to smoke, ban cigarettes, or concentrate on education. Don't waste time and money on silly scare packaging.

Ah Mr King,there ye go again without putting the other side of the debate
I worked in the tobacco industry for a number of years,so hopefully have some small knowledge of how it works.

Plain packaging will simply make it easier to counterfeit the product.All that glossy packaging makes it hard to reproduce by the foreign criminals,any fool can reproduce plain packets in their own kitchen.

All kinds of nasties will lurk in those packs sold under the counter at the local pub...and of course tax revenues will continue to tumble as a result....just another idea of those interfering 'do-gooders'...the more ye tell people not to do something the more it'll be counter productive.

Pattaya wrote:

I worked in the tobacco industry for a number of years

Plain packaging will simply make it easier to counterfeit

another idea of those interfering 'do-gooders'...


Patt - welcome back again!

I have never smoked (unlike you?) - simply because cancer, and an early death doesn't appeal to me.

Sad, that you feel you have to stick up for this vile 'industry'...

People should be allowed to choose. Sadly many are mad enough to decide to smoke. Beyond me but what do I know?

Pattaya wrote:
Ah Mr King,there ye go again without putting the other side of the debate
I worked in the tobacco industry for a number of years,so hopefully have some small knowledge of how it works.

Plain packaging will simply make it easier to counterfeit the product.All that glossy packaging makes it hard to reproduce by the foreign criminals,any fool can reproduce plain packets in their own kitchen.

All kinds of nasties will lurk in those packs sold under the counter at the local pub...and of course tax revenues will continue to tumble as a result....just another idea of those interfering 'do-gooders'...the more ye tell people not to do something the more it'll be counter productive.

15 years ago maybe..computer generated packaging can re-produce the most complicated designs as you should know with Pattaya being a haven of some of the best forgeries on the planet.

One can arrive in rags and within the day be a walking monument to Cartier, Rolex, Louis Vuitton and Christian Louboutin.!!

The evidence in Australia is that plain packaging has worked and cigarette smoking is falling all the time.

While difficult to prove the actual reason no-one should be conned with a product of any description that uses false advertising to sell it self and cigarette corps have done that for decades

The most ridiculous rule is the banning of e-cigarettes in some pubs. E-cigarettes emit water vapour, which is completely harmless and they are one of the most effective methods in the bid for some peolple to quite smoking. They are only been banned because they look like cigarettes, it is a typical knee jerk reaction by some companies who want to please the stupid masses rather than do what is right.

robbiex wrote:
The most ridiculous rule is the banning of e-cigarettes in some pubs. E-cigarettes emit water vapour, which is completely harmless and they are one of the most effective methods in the bid for some peolple to quite smoking. They are only been banned because they look like cigarettes, it is a typical knee jerk reaction by some companies who want to please the stupid masses rather than do what is right.

They thought cigarette smoking was safe not so long ago! Are you sure only water is released into the air from the vape things? They have a horrible chemical smell.

SP17 wrote:
Pattaya wrote:

I worked in the tobacco industry for a number of years

Plain packaging will simply make it easier to counterfeit

another idea of those interfering 'do-gooders'...


Patt - welcome back again!

I have never smoked (unlike you?) - simply because cancer, and an early death doesn't appeal to me.

Sad, that you feel you have to stick up for this vile 'industry'...





I only come here to see how many silly posts I can get out of our new forum Clown

hedda wrote:
Pattaya wrote:
Ah Mr King,there ye go again without putting the other side of the debate
I worked in the tobacco industry for a number of years,so hopefully have some small knowledge of how it works.

Plain packaging will simply make it easier to counterfeit the product.All that glossy packaging makes it hard to reproduce by the foreign criminals,any fool can reproduce plain packets in their own kitchen.

All kinds of nasties will lurk in those packs sold under the counter at the local pub...and of course tax revenues will continue to tumble as a result....just another idea of those interfering 'do-gooders'...the more ye tell people not to do something the more it'll be counter productive.

15 years ago maybe..computer generated packaging can re-produce the most complicated designs as you should know with Pattaya being a haven of some of the best forgeries on the planet.

One can arrive in rags and within the day be a walking monument to Cartier, Rolex, Louis Vuitton and Christian Louboutin.!!

The evidence in Australia is that plain packaging has worked and cigarette smoking is falling all the time.

While difficult to prove the actual reason no-one should be conned with a product of any description that uses false advertising to sell it self and cigarette corps have done that for decades

I did read recently that smuggled fags had increased by about 20% in Australia since plain packaging was introduced.
The problem with trying to override the public's desire for a product is that it simply gets people's backs up,and they will go to great lengths to acquire those products anyway.
Take a look at Britain,a history of high taxation of tobacco/alcohol products has produced a large 'contraband' industry.I think I heard about 80% of rolling tobacco was imported from elsewhere,either legally from the EU,or smuggled.As the pound strengthens against a failing Euro Alcohol smuggling is taking off again.As a frequent traveller abroad I see cars and bags loaded with these products every time I go.
Plain packaging is not the answer,simply makes it easier for illegal contraband to be passed off as 'real'.
The real answer is education,and a society where people actually believe they have a future,and as such want to preserve their bodies to enjoy that future.
Smoking thrives most amongst working classes,and understanding of why they continue to do so is needed,and that will only come when 'do gooder' upper classes are removed from policy making,and replaced by people who have a real knowledge and understanding of those people.

Pattaya wrote:

Smoking thrives most amongst working classes

understanding of why they continue to do so is needed

that will only come when 'do gooder' upper classes are removed from policy making


Interesting that you categorise smoking as a 'class' thing - which can't be sorted/understood by the do gooder/upper classes.

Do you feel that alcohol, gambling, drugs and vice also have the same class ridden problems?

honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
robbiex wrote:
The most ridiculous rule is the banning of e-cigarettes in some pubs. E-cigarettes emit water vapour, which is completely harmless and they are one of the most effective methods in the bid for some peolple to quite smoking. They are only been banned because they look like cigarettes, it is a typical knee jerk reaction by some companies who want to please the stupid masses rather than do what is right.

They thought cigarette smoking was safe not so long ago! Are you sure only water is released into the air from the vape things? They have a horrible chemical smell.

If people want to smoke they will.

SP17 wrote:
Pattaya wrote:

Smoking thrives most amongst working classes

understanding of why they continue to do so is needed

that will only come when 'do gooder' upper classes are removed from policy making


Interesting that you categorise smoking as a 'class' thing - which can't be sorted/understood by the do gooder/upper classes.

Do you feel that alcohol, gambling, drugs and vice also have the same class ridden problems?

Please stop trying to be nice and chatty,and go back to insulting me....please

Anyway there's plenty of studies on income and excesses....and I am off at 7am for a few days in Malta...if you're in Luton at that time I promise to wave to you from the dubious working class vantage point of a Ryanair plane...I'll leave the Rolls,Serrano and Concord to those who know better than I about what's good for the masses

SP17 wrote:
Pattaya wrote:

Smoking thrives most amongst working classes

understanding of why they continue to do so is needed

that will only come when 'do gooder' upper classes are removed from policy making


Interesting that you categorise smoking as a 'class' thing - which can't be sorted/understood by the do gooder/upper classes.

Do you feel that alcohol, gambling, drugs and vice also have the same class ridden problems?

Doesn't everyone do the same but pay more if they can? Woodbines/Gauloises bingo/stockmarket Betting on racehorse/owning racehorse?

bit puzzled by the idea that cigarettes get smuggled in Oz ??

where from? It's a huge island surrounded by man-eating sharks

Pattaya wrote:
I am off at 7am for a few days in Malta...



You'll be gasping - for a cigarette - outside Valletta airport.

Try Ryan's Irish Pub in Saint Julian's (no smoking, mind) - for St Patrick's Day!



But why not answer my staight forward question?