10 reasons why JK may be right.

www.listverse.com/2013/06/16/10-reasons-...cy-doesn't-work

Just a couple of things in brief. (Thanks Spee for the article)

Firstly, the group that show us the danger of ignoring democracy as a workable solution the most was the Nazis. There is much good that can be learnt from evil here, thus they need to be considered in this democracy question to learn what to avoid. Note it was one of a number of Hitler's pet things to have a crack at democracy and we know his alternative did not do too well overall for certain.

Secondly, it must be remembered that human nature is emotional, stupid and people do not reason. Thus no ideology, belief will just work without those rear breed of people who can think for themselves and reason been included rather than sidelined to work out solutions as opposed to ideology, like the last one of austerity (That is not problem solving that is stupidity, yes the money system needs managing but not by an ideology but solutions that tackle the problems).

Third what is needed is men and women of character, to continue to improve the democratic process with checks and balances, constitutions and procedures that are outside the direct stupidity of our very natures.

Fourth must not be pendulums by swinging from one ridiculous side to the other ridiculous side like socialism to capitalism.

Let me take a simple example how we trend to be stupid without structure, clear principles and goals.
The environmental groups are absolutely correct to campaign for a better a environment, clean air, clean water and so on. But I remember a number of years ago a proposal was put forward for the estuary by Bristol to use the tidal waves to create electricity. Then the environmentalists came out to oppose the venture because a bird sanctuary would be flooded. so the group had become so microscopically focused that they could not consider the number of birds and others that would be saved by clean electricity. They could of focused on alternatives, how to relocate the sanctuary or if the objection had weigh then clearly detailing it. This kind of good action that becomes entrenched in ideology rather than solving the problem is an everyday occurrence.

Bottomline, the concepts, goals of democracy certainly has had the best results and the things that make it work best need to be identified and implemented.

A big topic and so little understood.

As to voting I am no longer voting as I now consider that is also a stance. When faced with what the labour MP's did to the law and what the conservatives did to the law then it is a choice between like Hitler or Stalin. (I exaggerate but I am sure you get the idea)

Good article Spee.

Interesting the Roman Empire went for hundreds of years in one form or another and it had less democracy than us and it seemed to ever totter on the verge of destruction. And what it had was some systems, laws, positions i.e. structure. And lots of corruption. But one can see that even minimal positions, functions, voting and laws that have a little independent of personality have a very positive impact.

And lastly even the Republicans are having a real problem just throwing out Obamacare, similar to the UK NHS a positive step forward can remain and even be improved. I personally do not care whether it is a Republican beast or the Obamacare beast as long as it gets better care for the person on the street.

I think the person was slightly wrong in the article on “entitlements”. It is called caring and Thatcher should of been advised to find certain and staged altenatives for the minors. The government has a job to do that is responsibility for their citizens. If they want to combat terrorism and so on then they should ensure people are cared for then the sting is taken from the terrorist (Left with less fault ith the West that is). So maybe something on that point of entitlement but a bad example of Thatcher.

Athenian, cellular, direct, workplace, industrial, bioregional, plural - are just some of the many different types of democracy.

It's a huge subject of it's own - partly from Greek origins. Many countries have different types, like the US - and even those which make up the British Isles.

Proportional Representation is thought to be, perhaps, the fairest and most appropriate for the modern world.

But - hung parliaments are virtually inevitable when the method is used. Where voters rank their preferred candidates (Preferences).

Spee wrote:
Athenian, cellular, direct, workplace, industrial, bioregional, plural - are just some of the many different types of democracy.

It's a huge subject of it's own - partly from Greek origins. Many countries have different types, like the US - and even those which make up the British Isles.

Proportional Representation is thought to be, perhaps, the fairest and most appropriate for the modern world.

But - hung parliaments are virtually inevitable when the method is used. Where voters rank their preferred candidates (Preferences).




In a time of uncertainty and flux I am reassured that, half a decade ago, our poster of many names but few opinions was busy educating us under one of his (he is definitely a man...) many guises.

Made me smile.

Spee wrote:
10 reasons why JK may be right.

www.listverse.com/2013/06/16/10-reasons-...cy-doesn't-work



it works better in Australia (but certainly not perfect ) for several reasons..

1 the government finances elections and parties do not have to rely on private money.

2. strict proportional representation overseen by legislation and a partisan Electoral Commission (no politician has complained in 100 years)

3.preferential voting where you put your preference numbering downwards..lots of horse trading goes on but elected governments largely reflect what the majority want at that time.

4. 3 year cycles..they do their worst in the first, coast along in the second and dish out bribes in the third. Not enough time to do real damage.

5. Compulsory voting always gets out over 90% of electorate

6. A powerful elected Upper House

Why should voting be compulsory ? It should be the right of the public to decide if the government tossers are worth the walk or drive to the polling Station.