My heart goes out to Freddy Starr and his family.

There are several indications of genuine responses to trauma in his behaviour. Paranoia, outbursts of rage alternating with despondency. These will be all too familiar to those who have been abused as he was.

It's a wonder to me how our dear host keeps his spirits up.

It sounds like the poor man lost his mind, if it is true. (Why she has to wait until he is dead is anybody's guess)

According to the obituaries, Freddie Starr's father was violent and it looks as if FS may have perpetuated that even before Operation Yewtree.

Freddie Starr's daughter reveals terrible truth about 'selfish and violent' father

Tara said: "He was a product of his environment. He was abused.

"That’s why he was so aggressive to women. I think he had something wrong with him."

Randall wrote:
It's a wonder to me how our dear host keeps his spirits up.
I'm also amazed at how upbeat JK manages to be. Would love to know his secret!

There's no secret Jo; I tend to regard the inevitable as something to be dealt with. And I have had the best, most enjoyable, most fun life I could ever have wanted. Why get depressed by minor problems?

JK2006 wrote:
There's no secret Jo; I tend to regard the inevitable as something to be dealt with. And I have had the best, most enjoyable, most fun life I could ever have wanted. Why get depressed by minor problems?

You will need to be very careful once all this is completely over and you are well and truly declared innocent.

Sometimes it is the fight that carries us along and it only hits us when it is all over.

Yes I admire JK's attitude but I think it's a bit more common than people think.

I have pals who have been to jail and survived , well not well but were determined to get through it and not have it define them.

One, the recently deceased Australian promoter Harry M.Miller was very much the same..went to jail for fraud but got through it and came out the other side and still kept his career..acted as it had never happened and before he died (sadly of dementia) ..his company was still managing some big show biz names.
( mind you it being Australia riddled with corruption - Harry was able to organise a huge Chinese Takeaway dinner for all the prisoners on his birthday plus a drag Show imported ..the legendary Kings Cross Les Girls troupe.

## A lot of this is perception: it's the media who attempts to create the notion that people are "disgraced"..a term I find amusing. Nothing could be more disgraced than Britain's tabloids after the Hacking Scandal..organised criminality...but the vast majority of people don't accept or act in this way.

Largely they live and let live and everything is also quickly forgotten. We just can't retain all this unnecessary knowledge of who is to be permanently "disgraced" which is pretty evident in the way the media has to find new candidates every day.

Tabloids push the notion that ex-cons somehow walk about with their status showing and should therefore receive public condemnation.They aren't too different to the fanatical Red Guards in China when they forced prisoners to wear signs proclaiming their alleged crimes.

I doubt poor Freddie would have lived much longer - he was shockingly overweight even before Yewtree but it would definitely pushed him over the edge being a fairly emotional and volatile character. People can commit suicide in many different ways.

And note how really really nasty many of the Mail commenters can be.

They seem to abhor the whole entity that the Mail is but have to keep reading it every day to see who the latest "disgraced" and hate enemy is.

1984 and Two Minutes of Hate?

hedda wrote:
And note how really really nasty many of the Mail commenters can be.

They seem to abhor the whole entity that the Mail is but have to keep reading it every day to see who the latest "disgraced" and hate enemy is.

1984 and Two Minutes of Hate?
Not for nothing is one of it's nicknames the 'Daily Hate and Fear'.