Why? She's a walking disaster area. As I said to several Tory MP friends years ago, she's like a very good Corporate Secretary who does what the Boss tells her efficiently and with stubborn dedication. Who accidentally got the top job as CEO - to which she is totally unsuited. She has tried to muddle through like a good secretary; completely incapable of sorting out this impossible situation where 50% of MPs and the public take extreme different positions. I blame Cameron for agreeing a stupid simplistic referendum on a complex (and relatively unimportant) issue. I blame us, the public, for allowing a decent Government (Coalition) to be waylaid by Tory efficiency.

I gather the Dreaded Leadhead is responsible in Cabinet for forcing May to change her referendum position to a "might be" one - thus guaranteeing failure.

The Cabinet is truly dreadful. Ghastly Grayling, Gory Gove, Hamfisted Hammond, Harmless Hunt, various women only there due to gender positive discrimination (amazing that the documentaries about Thatcher - a human being who got there on merit and talent and whose gender was unimportant - are currently on the BBC). I'm sad to say Labour is not much better (cannot stand Watson). Much though I like Corbyn who will be, I think, a pretty good PM (possibly sooner than many think).

So - who to vote for in the MEP's? I'd go for Lib Dems or possibly The Greens (who I predict will do far better than predicted by others). It seems pointless to vote for anyone who thinks the UK should not be in the EU - they can only do damage; nothing positive. But simplistic and those who favour Brexit will vote for Brexit or UKIP. The final vote will probably be, once again, 50% 50%.

JK2006 wrote:
Why? She's a walking disaster area. As I said to several Tory MP friends years ago, she's like a very good Corporate Secretary who does what the Boss tells her efficiently and with stubborn dedication. Who accidentally got the top job as CEO - to which she is totally unsuited. She has tried to muddle through like a good secretary; completely incapable of sorting out this impossible situation where 50% of MPs and the public take extreme different positions. I blame Cameron for agreeing a stupid simplistic referendum on a complex (and relatively unimportant) issue. I blame us, the public, for allowing a decent Government (Coalition) to be waylaid by Tory efficiency.

I gather the Dreaded Leadhead is responsible in Cabinet for forcing May to change her referendum position to a "might be" one - thus guaranteeing failure.

The Cabinet is truly dreadful. Ghastly Grayling, Gory Gove, Hamfisted Hammond, Harmless Hunt, various women only there due to gender positive discrimination (amazing that the documentaries about Thatcher - a human being who got there on merit and talent and whose gender was unimportant - are currently on the BBC). I'm sad to say Labour is not much better (cannot stand Watson). Much though I like Corbyn who will be, I think, a pretty good PM (possibly sooner than many think).

So - who to vote for in the MEP's? I'd go for Lib Dems or possibly The Greens (who I predict will do far better than predicted by others). It seems pointless to vote for anyone who thinks the UK should not be in the EU - they can only do damage; nothing positive. But simplistic and those who favour Brexit will vote for Brexit or UKIP. The final vote will probably be, once again, 50% 50%.

Not really. There are plenty of us who now think Brexit needs to be done quick and that another poll would be extremely damaging, but can't very well vote for the Brexit party nutters.

20% supporting the two main parties....I'm taking the mickey out of my local MP...and not even his friends are daring to challenge me on it....

Brexit Party now on 37%....Lib Dems up to 19%...The times they are a changin'....

Yes exactly; add together LibDems, Greens, SNP, Change and other Remainers and they may well outnumber Brexit and UKIP combined. As for Tories and Labour - as MEP's, ignore both.

JK2006 wrote:
Yes exactly; add together LibDems, Greens, SNP, Change and other Remainers and they may well outnumber Brexit and UKIP combined. As for Tories and Labour - as MEP's, ignore both.

Have you been taking maths lessons from Jamie Oliver?

Brexit Party + UKIP = 40%

That's the easy part....add in the 7% Tory vote = Leave,but on a crap deal..

So 47% easily worked out..

....The other parties,with the exception of the 4% Change UK are not so easy to call....,Without checking facts in a rush I recall about a third of SNP voters went Leave in 2016...and about a quarter of Lib Dems did the same...add in the DUP (solidly Leave)...and more Labour voters voted leave than remain in 2016...at least some will vote for a party for other reasons the Brexit...then 6% on other....

....A very tight call.....certainly many of the politicians who support remain I've chatted with are worried,Farage has momentum,which some polls put at above the Tories in a General Election scenario...a week is a long time in politics Doctor King...and in 4 months Farage has gone from nothing to around double the vote of nearest rivals....perhaps he can retire and become an Estate agent after this?

Polls are just an indication, and - as everyone knows - are often off track.

Farage's current party has no manifesto or policies; consequently, many would find it difficult to vote for it; it has never had a vote, for anything so far.

When Andrew Marr put Farage's past statements to him (regarding Putin, the NHS etc.), he screamed 'unfair and irrelevant'.

This is a man who has failed to get into Westminster five times, and refuses to divulge his - and his newest party's funding.

His associate, Robinson, has served time - and has convictions for assault and frauds of different kinds; as well as other offences.


Are we really this desperate?

I get so muddled. I thought Robinson was UKIP - nothing to do with Farage. Shows how easy it is to get things wrong.

It's so easy to be muddled by these fringe players who are quick to switch allegiances.

Robinson was a member of UKIP, the British Freedom Party and the English Defence League - which he founded.

Because of his former membership of the EDL, he isn't allowed to be a UKIP member - and is an 'adviser' to them.


I used the word 'associate' advisedly - as Robinson is admired, at least, by senior Brexit Party members.

Including Noel Matthew - BP's national agent - who has often spoken positively about Robinson, and defended him. On the grooming issue, for example.

But, as we saw on Marr - all these aspiring politicians are likely to change their minds, when it suits them!


Not different when your party has neither policies, nor a manifesto...

JK2006 wrote:
I get so muddled. I thought Robinson was UKIP - nothing to do with Farage. Shows how easy it is to get things wrong.

Sadly Barney is now inventing facts.....Robinson has never been a member of UKIP,and his membership was turned down....he was an advisor on Muslim grooming gangs....Farage left UKIP because of Robinson even having that role....

....funding....Farage and Brexit have broken no laws to my knowledge...large donations happen in all parties...and the law is clear on declarations....like the police in Sexual allegations this is a trick to try and make people believe something is going on...no smoke without fire....

.....Farage...like Change UK have a clear manifesto....at the opposite ends of the Brexit debate...and are here for the sole purpose of delivering Brexit...or as with change UK opposing it...they have no intention of doing more than Brexit and voting reform...so that Parliament will become more representative...

....the results will do the talking....most people realise what this election is about...

I still don;t get the obsession as to who wins as there are over 700 MEPs and the vast majority support the EU (obviously) and any far right UK MEPs will be largely ineffectual.

Just as the Ghastly Farage has picked up his wage and never bothers turning up

Can you imagine "Tommy Robinson" spending much time in Brussels which is riddled with Johnny Foreigners? (is it a good conduit for Cocaine?)

Unless of course in other EU countries the far right really gains ground.

## one day someone will explain the benefits of Brexit.

Barney wrote:
Because of his former membership of the EDL, he isn't allowed to be a UKIP member - and is an 'adviser' to them.

Sorry SM, I got it wrong - but then right, as above.

As an adviser to the UKIP leader, Robinson is not UKIP member, only on a technicality.

Tommy - who uses different names (like when applying for a passport) - must be a busy chap, with all his ongoing legal hearings!

During his election campaign...

Barney wrote:
Barney wrote:
Because of his former membership of the EDL, he isn't allowed to be a UKIP member - and is an 'adviser' to them.

Sorry SM, I got it wrong - but then right, as above.

As an adviser to the UKIP leader, Robinson is not UKIP member, only on a technicality.

Tommy - who uses different names (like when applying for a passport) - must be a busy chap, with all his ongoing legal hearings!

During his election campaign...





Glad you admitted your mistake...I'd vote Farage,but now never UKIP,and never Robinson...UKIP on 3% sums up their political stance quite well....and the type of looney fringe they became...and a good reason Farage left....

Silent Minority wrote:
I'd vote Farage,but now never UKIP,and never Robinson...UKIP on 3% sums up their political stance quite well....and the type of looney fringe they became...and a good reason Farage left.


And you'd vote for the Brexit Party without knowing its policies, seeing its manifesto - and without any idea who (and on what terms) is funding it!?

Barney wrote:
Silent Minority wrote:
I'd vote Farage,but now never UKIP,and never Robinson...UKIP on 3% sums up their political stance quite well....and the type of looney fringe they became...and a good reason Farage left.


And you'd vote for the Brexit Party without knowing its policies, seeing its manifesto - and without any idea who (and on what terms) is funding it!?





I actually know quite a lot,as I was involved in getting it up and running...

...it declares income exactly the same as the other parties...no more or less....has far more members/supporters than the others when it comers to direct income ...the clear majority of its funds are small amounts...

Talking of funding...I've had lots of fun with Craig over this...I was paid quite handsomely in 2015 running focus groups on how to get him in,and keep Nigel out...

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/09...ction-expenses-rules

...it has but two policies...you know both...the other parties have lots of policies...and they lost because of their direct inability to honour some of them....

....you have failed to understand that the Brexit Party is a coalition of those who want Brexit delivered...and want voting reform...it's a broad-church for those who feel these are the most important things needed now...not more idiots making fools of themselves and us....the public have a choice..and will continue to have a choice....it's called democracy....they can listen to Farage,or to you.....

Give my love to those you still see from the Colebrook.

The brilliance of Nigel Farage is that he seems to have millions of followers who will vote for him yet haven't a fucking clue what his policies are.

These are frightening times and the most sophisticated campaign to rip Europe apart is under way.

# did anyone note my "Brexit violence " video is actually the opposite?.

If you look at Youtube as an example: the far right, Nazis etc ( Farage & Robinson are all of that) have completely dominated YouTube as an outlet.

100s and 100s of videos with supposedly millions of views. It isn't credible

It's an amazingly effective campaign. After being booted from other platforms (no- it's not a denial of their "free speech") and the exposure of the Cambridge Analytica scandal..a "scandal" of mass criminality which has successfully forged what could be the most momentous change in Britain of the last few 100 years...it seems they have re-grouped and simply moved onto a new way of dominating the message.
Britain's policing forces aren't interested so why not?

One day someone will explain (maybe Silent( he isn't) Majority (they aren't) what the benefit for Britain will be by going alone.

I keep hearing Brexiters say "they want it to happen and they want it now"..but why? What do they think is going to happen apart from chaos for years as Britain tries to build relationships it's already had for decades except...the rest of the world has moved on.

I had arguments with ex-pats here in Oz who danced with joy the day after the Referendum result.
Not one..not one could actually tell me why they were so excited. Just weird.

Some tried to claim the UK would now be doing fabulous trade deals with Australia.

No they won't. Australia turned to Asia after Britain joined the Common Market in order to survive. I The deals (which took 20/30/40 years to conclude , prevent it doing deals elsewhere bar the EU.

So I have pals who emigrated from the UK seemingly for a better life yet they don't even know how the fucking country they emigrated to operates. Madness. Madness.

Kevin Rudd was elected as PM of Ox in 2007. As an expert Mandarin speaker with 30 years diplomatic experience in China, he began negotiations on the biggest trade deal Australia will ever do with China in 2009...it's still not concluded as he tries to tell everyone long after he left politics.
And it's just a normal trade deal.

No-one ever explains how Britain will work after Brexit..it's all done of faith. They prattle on about fabulous trade deals that will be done the following day when it's impossible (they take years) and trying to unravel current deals will be a nightmare..especially when Britain has no-one to do these deals (they need about 5000 trade negotiators).

Has Nigel Farage ever, ever said one single thing about how Britain will work after Brexit? Yet this is the man that made it happen and is still asking for votes and still NOT SAYING HOW IT WILL HAPPEN.

If someone could explain the benefits I'd listen. No-one ever does.

This is the weirdest thing I've ever witnessed in my life.

You have to ask cui bono?. It's pretty obvious : Russia. If Russia can sow dissension within Europe and nip away at the edges, it benefits hugely.

It's already nobbled Trump and he's either complicit or too stupid to see it..I reckon he's a classic sociopath narcissist and doesn't even care. It's of no interest to him.

You can't really blame Russia either. The rest of the world have treated Russia like a pariah. They really believe it's their time to shine in the sun.

The USA is going down the tubes. It cannot get any better, only worse. Whoever follows Trump, he's unleashed tens of millions of fanatical followers. Most have guns.

The puppet Farage..who talks the talk (but what does he ever say? not much..it's all waffle presented in that pub talk way where problems are solved over a few drinks..even though they never are) has successfully, with the aid of a handful of foreign media barons, to tie Britain up for years now doing..fuck all !! Madness, utter madness.

I disagree with JK..I actually had sympathy for Theresa May because there is no bloody solution to this madness.
What could she do?

And they think Boris will do better? He's even worse.