That with the R number coming down in England before lockdown could impact it, countries such as Sweden experiencing in effect 0% deaths with no insane lockdowns, that the departure of lockdown hypocrite Dom and pals, could mean that by accident or design Boris will now be able to move away from lockdown madness before our society is destroyed?

Wyot wrote:
Sweden experiencing in effect 0% deaths with no insane lockdowns


0% deaths - over 6,000 actually.

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/12/co...pes-of-herd-immunity

With lockdown type restrictions being introduced urgently - due to the infection surges.

Middlemas you make SUCH stupid comments and post such ridiculous, brain dead rubbish you could almost be Barney!

Gainsaying is fine!

But the Sweden situation - though always different - has recently changed significantly. See the Guardian piece.

Different, for example, because over 50% of households are single occupancy - and the less gregarious daily life.

And there's two Swedens - Stockholm and the rest. Like so many places, virus matters are moving fast there - with last week's situation quickly superceded.

It's really not worth answering your idiotic brain dead posts MM but here are today's figures from Sweden. Basically, this trivial virus has very few serious effects.

Reading over some of the coverage of Dom's exit, it seems he leaked plans for the second lockdown before Boris had made up his mind on whether to lockdown, so forcing his hand.

I am hoping I am on to something here.

Boris is a libertarian by instinct, not a state control freak.....

I don't know. I can't see much hope the government policy will fundamentally change.

JK2006 wrote:
It's really not worth answering your idiotic brain dead posts MM but here are today's figures from Sweden. Basically, this trivial virus has very few serious effects.

Middlemas is correct here re Sweden as Sweden has expencied Covid 19 death rate in the top lot of countries at no 18 - deaths/1 million pop 609.

www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Much better information table

I think you JK and some others are a little hard on middlemas. I know sometimes it can happen to all of us when we bring a challenge to madness sometimes makes us go the other way in been onesided too much.

I see reference to the Catholic thing that Barney had a thing about. Each time I check for real evidence there were very few proven abusers, many stories had the tell tale signs of false accusations as well. And the church in real cases did often act, yes more in keeping with the tenets of the faith as would be expected.

And I agree with Sweden relaxed approach as the reactionary UK approach still makes no difference to the spread of Covid 19

Re Covid 19 there has to be a lot more honest discussion and research done hopefully more scientific than like the Australian "truth enquiry" or whatever it is called and the UK child abuse thingy that believes every story. What conclusions can be drawn from it other than on the same basis Santa Claus must be for real.

Yes sadly I think you are probably right Flintstone. The madness is set to last well into 2021, but hopefully in ever diluting form...

Wyot wrote:
Reading over some of the coverage of Dom's exit, it seems he leaked plans for the second lockdown before Boris had made up his mind on whether to lockdown, so forcing his hand.

I am hoping I am on to something here.

Boris is a libertarian by instinct, not a state control freak.....

That was my thinking too, and I am wondering if Cummings was hoping that the lockdown and financial disaster that follows it might push Boris into a different choice with Brexit, because it seems they disagreed on it?

wjlmarsh wrote:
Middlemas is correct here re Sweden as Sweden has expencied Covid 19 death rate in the top lot of countries at no 18 - deaths/1 million pop 609. I think you JK and some others are a little hard on middlemas.


Well thanks wjlmarsh!

As we had come to the stage here where my links - to press and medical journal supporting comment/evidence - were simply being dismissed out of hand.

Isn't this excellent and unique site here for posters and JK to give views and opinions - and inevitable that agreement won't always ensure.

wjlmarsh wrote:
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Middlemas is correct here re Sweden as Sweden has expencied Covid 19 death rate in the top lot of countries at no 18 - deaths/1 million pop 609.

www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Much better information table

And I agree with Sweden relaxed approach as the reactionary UK approach still makes no difference to the spread of Covid 19

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Sweden may be about to introduce some features of lockdown but this doesn't mean it would be correct to do so, or was wrong not to earlier.

I agree with you that there is no evidence that lockdown achieves anything in addressing the virus.

Your own link takes me to the tables I think JK is using anyway? Sweden currently has 0% (this doesn't mean 0 people, as an earlier poster supposed) of infected people in a serious or critical condition.

Sufficient threat to ruin a country, as we have done? Let's hope they hold their Scandanavian cool.

I'm not sure what the earlier poster was right about in your view with regards to Sweden? But no one here has ever said infection rates can't increase, Covid is not lethal to a few, or more people may be at risk now in Sweden...

And yes people will lose their cool when repeatedly told they are saying what they are not saying, and being wilfully misrepresented and misquoted.

Wyot wrote:
Sweden currently has 0%

this doesn't mean 0 people, as an earlier poster supposed

Zero, 0 or 0% - denotes the absence of all magnitude and quantity

Ah if after looking at the figures you think 0% means total absence I think you should go elsewhere with your thoughts MM. Quite clearly there are currently almost 200 cases regarded as "serious" in Sweden and some may end in death, as Flu does. Past deaths reflect the same as everywhere else - before health professionals found how to treat this new virus. Please remove yourself.

middlemas wrote:
Wyot wrote:
Sweden currently has 0%

this doesn't mean 0 people, as an earlier poster supposed

Zero, 0 or 0% - denotes the absence of all magnitude and quantity


No, For statistics it means negligible , not none at all. It is an easy mistake to make.

My point exactly Honey; an easy mistake to make if you have severe brain problems; which is why, hopefully, MM will now move over to a different Forum like that nice David Icke's.

Honey wrote:
[quote]Wyot wrote:


That was my thinking too, and I am wondering if Cummings was hoping that the lockdown and financial disaster that follows it might push Boris into a different choice with Brexit, because it seems they disagreed on it?

It has since come out that it was to do with Cummings disrespecting Boris's fiance by text! But whatever the reasons, this cabal of arch brexiteers and lockdowners (who if we believe the press were running the country) has now gone.

Maybe we will at least see a broader discussion about the costs and merits of lockdown and Brexit?

JK2006 wrote:
My point exactly Honey; an easy mistake to make if you have severe brain problems; which is why, hopefully, MM will now move over to a different Forum like that nice David Icke's.

I think David Icke would be pissed off with MM also JK.

It has since come out that it was to do with Cummings disrespecting Boris's fiance by text!
It is bizarre isn't it? I almost smell a rat ('Gosh Dom, what a fun wheeze! We'll feed this dodgy story about a feud to the press and you can return in 2023/2024.') but then there does seem to be some scheming taking place in the background.

Mr Flintstone wrote:

It has since come out that it was to do with Cummings disrespecting Boris's fiance by text!
It is bizarre isn't it? I almost smell a rat ('Gosh Dom, what a fun wheeze! We'll feed this dodgy story about a feud to the press and you can return in 2023/2024.') but then there does seem to be some scheming taking place in the background.

Yes, it sounds far too trivial to be true.