After a shameless year misrepresenting the C19 virus they now excitedly report that a no deal Brexit will mean 57% increase in the price of cheddar cheese because of import tariffs.

What they don't mention is that we import just 1.2% of our cheddar cheese.

Here we go again...

Wyot wrote:
they don't mention that we import just 1.2% of our cheddar cheese

www.politico.eu/article/brexit-exposes-t...o-uk-cheddar-supply/


Interesting - as Ireland exports 78,000 tons of cheddar cheese to the UK, every year.

And that (says Politico) is 82% of all Britain's cheddar cheese imports.

We don't really import cheddar from anywhere else then - which seems strange?

They are probably right, but indirectly.
I expect the shops will raise the price of the home grown cheese to the inflated price of the Brie. Just because they can.

Not clear what you are saying. But if you are trying to pick this apart then (big sigh ) here we go...

The 82% you mention from Ireland would be 82% of all the cheddar IMPORTED (1.2% currently) not 82% of ALL the cheddar in the UK....

Please read the link - and dispute, if you wish, what it actually says.


Or perhaps provide your 1.2% link/source like I have - to no avail.

Ms V Parsimonious wrote:
Please read the link - and dispute, if you wish, what it actually says.


Or perhaps provide your 1.2% link/source like I have - to no avail.

I don't understand what point you are trying to make. As soon as you get off description alone, I can rarely follow you.

I don't mean this rudely. As you appear rarely to understand me either, you probably think the same.

I don't intend to open up a "cheese war". The minutae of cheese importation was not the original point of the post, merely illustrative.

Fair enough - cheddar cheese wasn't the main subject of your original post; but you used an erroneous statistic to make your point.

Even though, a large amount of the product is made here (Cheddar Gorge, Somerset etc.) - we import much more than 1.2%. Most, as I said, from Ireland.

This second link will explain the cheese industry and that 15% of our cheddar is actually imported - with February 2020 figures quoted.

My only interest/point concerns the accuracy of statements made to make points, as without that - posts are meaningless.

ahdb.org.uk/dairy/uk-cheese-trade

Your contributions add nothing to this Forum MsV; I suggest you go elsewhere with your posts.

Ms V Parsimonious wrote:


This second link will explain the cheese industry and that 15% of our cheddar is actually imported - with February 2020 figures quoted.


It does NOT show that 15% of our cheddar is imported. It states that 15% of the cheese IMPORTS for Feb 20 are cheddar.

So 80% of the other imports could be Edam and 5% Stilton for e.g. It is the breakdown of the cheese TYPES of the IMPORTS.

It tells you NOTHING about the percentage of UK manufactured cheeses against imports.

Same point as I made last time.

You just don't understand what you are reading VP.

Ms V Parsimonious wrote:


My only interest/point concerns the accuracy of statements made to make points, as without that - posts are meaningless.

Agreed, I think it’s important that hyperbole and excessive exaggeration is challenged and folks with opposite opinions are encouraged to post rather than be asked to leave. Without contrary views on a forum debate isn’t possible and it just becomes a group of obsequious sycophants agreeing with each other and indulging in mutual backslapping.

Opposite opinions and variations welcome. Stupid dim repetition simply for the sake of annoyance is not.

BB wrote:
Ms V Parsimonious wrote:


My only interest/point concerns the accuracy of statements made to make points, as without that - posts are meaningless.

Agreed, I think it’s important that hyperbole and excessive exaggeration is challenged and folks with opposite opinions are encouraged to post rather than be asked to leave. Without contrary views on a forum debate isn’t possible and it just becomes a group of obsequious sycophants agreeing with each other and indulging in mutual backslapping.


Correct - making spurious points without fear of challenge isn't debate; it's become as you describe.

BB wrote:
Ms V Parsimonious wrote:


My only interest/point concerns the accuracy of statements made to make points, as without that - posts are meaningless.

Agreed, I think it’s important that hyperbole and excessive exaggeration is challenged

What hyperbole and exaggeration BB? I suggest you read VP's links and try and reconcile that to his understanding, before hitching yourself to that bandwagon.

Then one question only remains: is he very thick or just trying to annoy and waste my time?

Yes, I should have just ignored it I know.

And when a poster is so stupid as to think changing a name and not the URL will fool anybody, they really do need to be told to go elsewhere and stop wasting our time.

Wyot wrote:

What hyperbole and exaggeration BB? I suggest you read VP's links and try and reconcile that to his understanding, before hitching yourself to that bandwagon.

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You were asked to supply a link to your claim about cheddar imports. He said 15% you said 1%. I don't care a flying f**k how much cheese is imported but if you are right give a link as he requested or if you are wrong apologise for the mistake and move on.

Right, where was I...

After shamelessly misleading coverage of C19 the BBC is carrying on with the "no deal" Brexit scare stories, reporting that the cost of cheddar will rise by 57% because of import tariffs.

This is wildly inaccurate because we are basically self sufficient in chedder production, averaging 94% UK produced over the past 3 years

ahdb.org.uk/news/how-self-sufficient-is-uk-cheese-production

To BB yes this is a few percentage off my first post (I can't find the 1.2% import link as it was part of a long gone twitter feed...) but I would suggest the differential is not evidence of "hyperbole" on my part.

To Barney/Commander/VS/Admiral Benbow/Data Genius (just a suggestion for your next incarnation...) the 80% cheddar supplied by Ireland is 80% of the 4-5 % of cheddar imports to the UK; i.e totally fucking irrelevant, except to the Irish.

To cite BB: exagerration and hyperbole on your part, though whether intentional or not who knows.

Now, be good to hear other KoH posters/readers views on no deal Brexit media coverage....?

I am a bit baffled about the fuss at the prospect of no deal, really.
What did they bloody expect?

As for Barney, anyone can see that he is getting on Mr King's last nerve, and the name changing and baiting is disruptive for the forum.

I don't think he means any harm, but it comes across as disrespectful to someone who has been nothing but nice to him for years.

I wish he would go back to just being Barney, or bugger off for a bit. One or the other.

Honey wrote:


I wish he would go back to just being Barney, or bugger off for a bit. One or the other.

Same here Honey, but would add for me that I wish he would stop trying to "bait" me every time I post but by different names. I would also like to see the old Barney back, using the name Barney or at least just one name!

Something happened in his mind over the Covid subject I think this year. I don't wish to see him "barred", but not up to me, obviously.

Wyot wrote:
After a shameless year misrepresenting the C19 virus they now excitedly report that a no deal Brexit will mean 57% increase in the price of cheddar cheese because of import tariffs.

What they don't mention is that we import just 1.2% of our cheddar cheese.

Here we go again...

The only BBC story I could find about the tariff on cheese was about the importing of Brie not Cheddar. There is no BBC story “excitedly report that a no deal Brexit will mean 57% increase in the price of cheddar cheese because of import tariffs” The story being reported is actually based on the fact the UK doesn’t import much Cheddar compared to other types of cheese.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55246703

You may well be right that the BBC spent the last year shamelessly misrepresenting the C19 virus but you should produce accurate evidence to support such claims

Yes agree BB.

But I am not taking this further as I don't know if you are also "Barney". I am clear that a few others on here definitely are not. But given that Barney has also come in as Commander on this very thread responding to VP (who is also Barney) - if you are an original I hope you can understand.