I have never been a fan - partly because I have always seen a lot of my own behaviour in him, and know how to manipulate a system. But I've been saddened by the simplistic way people who don't like him refuse to attribute any qualities to him. That's not only annoying but dangerous. I would not be at all surprised if he runs again in 4 years and is elected by a huge majority; again, for the wrong reasons. People wonder why Italy supported Mussolini or Germany Hitler; to me, it was always clear. I can see a similar aspect to democracy. And the danger is - when given fresh power, these people often misuse it really badly. So far Trump has not been a bad President. I think history will be quite complimentary. But a second term might well be terrible. That bloody wall might even get built.

I am one of the people who sadden you. And I do admit I find it very difficult to get beyond my emotional/intellectual reaction to him to think about what he might have achieved. So you have a point.

But in my simple way I think he goes far beyond manipulation to the language of hatred, bigotry and division.

And the world is better off without that as well as that bloody wall!

I can't stand Trump either wyot but 70 million Americans admire him enough to vote for him so I believe he is not either Evil or Holy but a mixture, as are all of us. I'm much more certain that superficialisation is destroying our species and should be rejected whenever possible. And that simplistic thinking attacks all of us, no matter how intelligent and thoughtful we may be.

Wyot wrote:
I am one of the people who sadden you. And I do admit I find it very difficult to get beyond my emotional/intellectual reaction to him to think about what he might have achieved. So you have a point.

But in my simple way I think he goes far beyond manipulation to the language of hatred, bigotry and division.

And the world is better off without that as well as that bloody wall!

I can't wait to see the more division and hatred by Harris when she becomes President in a couple of years - Biden's mind will be further gone to have the full 4 years. Imagine the heads spinning if Candace Owens runs for Republican Party in 4 years when she will old enough. Maybe Wyot, might have a debate with her on a live stream or on a podcast ?

This never gets old -





Mark Dice - will be proven correct again after the Biden Harris first term.







Will Trump pardoned both Edward Snowden and Julian Assange ?

Yep they all look a sorry bunch GM.

I think having been such a devotee of "The West Wing" series spoiled me. I need my US top bods to have Rolls Royce brains, the eloquence of the late Christopher Hitchens and the moral compass of Ghandi..

PS I will debate any challenger anytime

Wyot wrote:
Yep they all look a sorry bunch GM.

I think having been such a devotee of "The West Wing" series spoiled me. I need my US top bods to have Rolls Royce brains, the eloquence of the late Christopher Hitchens and the moral compass of Ghandi..

PS I will debate any challenger anytime

Maybe have a podcast and invite some American conservatives like Jericho Green or Steven Crowder.

Apart from every single one of his policies and everything he stands for, I am a huge Trump fan.
I love his bluntness, his eccentricities, and I could listen to him saying "China" all day long.

he's a fucking psychopath (they live in the moment so blatantly lie to win that second and can say the opposite the following day).

he's a lifelong con artist and a many times bankrupt (who the fuck goes bankrupt in a Casino for Christ sake?)

He's a vicious nasty bitch..I mean a real bitch who can't say a nice thing about anyone. He mocks the disabled and exhort his deluded followers (Honey) to chant "lock her / him up" about his opponents.

Over 300,000 Yanks have died to date because he said a pandemic was a hoax.

He started off with a fortune (and blatantly lied about it ) and has been losing money ever since. he's probably the worst property developer in the world.

One example is his ghastly New York hotel where he sold rooms to deluded investors who thought they would make a fortune are now having to pay a fortune for the upkeep as Covid plus Trump's reputation has wreaked it's reputation.

He's utterly tatsteless (have you been inside Trump Tower ? the most hideous ghastly building I've ever seen).

# My good pal who sadly passed away from cancer a few months ago, Tony Bilson a hugely respected chef went to work at the Trump Tower restaurant for 2 months on an arrangement by the Australian Trade Commissioner and found Trump to be the most ignorant ugly minded creep he had ever encountered.

On the first evening Trump went ballistic when he saw Bilson's menu that didn't include fucking great steaks the size of Texas, rather Tony's beautiful creations for which he is famous..ranted at Bilson and wished he could turf him out but couldn't because he was on a 2 month contact.

But the following evening trump realised that Rupert Murdoch ( a very old friend of Tony's) had made block bookings for numerous nights to entertain various bigwigs and Tony had to put up with the ugly fat arsed Trump claiming hiring Tony was his idea.

I digress..

The hideous Orange Loser has owed ME $3000 for 14 years (he's been loathed in New York for 30 years for bilking people)

Why would you rip me off? I'm lovely.

and now he's THE BIGGEST LOSER !!

## AND ANOTHER THING..WHY IS THAT REVOLTING LORD ALAN SUGAR IN AUSTRALIA FRONTING A LOCAL VERSION OF THE BIGGEST lOSER? WHAT A CREEP

Honey wrote:
Apart from every single one of his policies and everything he stands for, I am a huge Trump fan.
I love his bluntness, his eccentricities, and I could listen to him saying "China" all day long.


Time to lay down in a dark room, sir.

hedda wrote:


he's a lifelong con artist.........

100% agreed

Alison wrote:
Honey wrote:
Apart from every single one of his policies and everything he stands for, I am a huge Trump fan.
I love his bluntness, his eccentricities, and I could listen to him saying "China" all day long.


Time to lay down in a dark room, sir.




Oh I agree. I am very far from being a deluded fan. Quite the opposite actually, but I cant help finding him compelling, horrifying, and bloody hilarious all at the same time.
But we are all a bit short on entertainment at the moment.

hedda wrote:
he's a fucking psychopath (they live in the moment so blatantly lie to win that second and can say the opposite the following day).

he's a lifelong con artist and a many times bankrupt (who the fuck goes bankrupt in a Casino for Christ sake?)

He's a vicious nasty bitch..I mean a real bitch who can't say a nice thing about anyone. He mocks the disabled and exhort his deluded followers (Honey) to chant "lock her / him up" about his opponents.

Over 300,000 Yanks have died to date because he said a pandemic was a hoax.

He started off with a fortune (and blatantly lied about it ) and has been losing money ever since. he's probably the worst property developer in the world.

One example is his ghastly New York hotel where he sold rooms to deluded investors who thought they would make a fortune are now having to pay a fortune for the upkeep as Covid plus Trump's reputation has wreaked it's reputation.

He's utterly tatsteless (have you been inside Trump Tower ? the most hideous ghastly building I've ever seen).

# My good pal who sadly passed away from cancer a few months ago, Tony Bilson a hugely respected chef went to work at the Trump Tower restaurant for 2 months on an arrangement by the Australian Trade Commissioner and found Trump to be the most ignorant ugly minded creep he had ever encountered.

On the first evening Trump went ballistic when he saw Bilson's menu that didn't include fucking great steaks the size of Texas, rather Tony's beautiful creations for which he is famous..ranted at Bilson and wished he could turf him out but couldn't because he was on a 2 month contact.

But the following evening trump realised that Rupert Murdoch ( a very old friend of Tony's) had made block bookings for numerous nights to entertain various bigwigs and Tony had to put up with the ugly fat arsed Trump claiming hiring Tony was his idea.

I digress..

The hideous Orange Loser has owed ME $3000 for 14 years (he's been loathed in New York for 30 years for bilking people)

Why would you rip me off? I'm lovely.

and now he's THE BIGGEST LOSER !!

## AND ANOTHER THING..WHY IS THAT REVOLTING LORD ALAN SUGAR IN AUSTRALIA FRONTING A LOCAL VERSION OF THE BIGGEST lOSER? WHAT A CREEP

He paid my former business big bucks in the early 90s.

Also Trump knows how to play the tax system and use casinos as tax write offs.

If they don’t serve steaks then it’s not a restaurant.

Green Man wrote:
[quote]hedda wrote:


He paid my former business big bucks in the early 90s.


I knew Trump had to have something on you GM!

hedda wrote:


Over 300,000 Yanks have died to date because he said a pandemic was a hoax.



Come again...?!

Outside of pinning America's low C19 death rate on Trump alone, agree with you about the other stuff.

Well he did say it was a hoax and many in the US believed their President.


www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/03/...dent-fights-covid-19

My problem; if you read the article it doesn't say he said it was a hoax; that was how a supporter interpreted it. Trump denied it was as bad as media painted it and played it down in order to stop panic. Panic induced by media means hospitals get jammed up by people panicking.

Alison wrote:
Well he did say it was a hoax and many in the US believed their President.


www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/03/...dent-fights-covid-19

But there is no link between the death rate and what people believe. No one here said it was a hoax, but our death rate is worse....

JK2006 wrote:
My problem; if you read the article it doesn't say he said it was a hoax; that was how a supporter interpreted it. Trump denied it was as bad as media painted it and played it down in order to stop panic. Panic induced by media means hospitals get jammed up by people panicking.

Spot on, just think about the public who panicked and stocked up on arse paper and arse wipes. Like it was only to stop the virus - supermarkets were during both national and tier lockdowns. Not forgetting bread which is better homemade !

Green Man wrote:
JK2006 wrote:
My problem; if you read the article it doesn't say he said it was a hoax; that was how a supporter interpreted it. Trump denied it was as bad as media painted it and played it down in order to stop panic. Panic induced by media means hospitals get jammed up by people panicking.

Spot on, just think about the public who panicked and stocked up on arse paper and arse wipes. Like it was only to stop the virus - supermarkets were during both national and tier lockdowns. Not forgetting bread which is better homemade !

But to make home-made bread you need yeast, and it was months before that came back in the shops.

I see we are due another panic buying bonanza for Brexit.

Green Man wrote:
hedda wrote:



## AND ANOTHER THING..WHY IS THAT REVOLTING LORD ALAN SUGAR IN AUSTRALIA FRONTING A LOCAL VERSION OF THE BIGGEST lOSER? WHAT A CREEP

He paid my former business big bucks in the early 90s.

Also Trump knows how to play the tax system and use casinos as tax write offs.

If they don’t serve steaks then it’s not a restaurant.

I don't think his casino even opened did it?

of course there are victims here..all those who invested in setting up stores in the casino- they lost a fortune. Maby in the US thinks this is very clever but it's not nicew for employees and contractors when they get stiffed.

But he paid you Green Man..WITH MY MONEY !!!

GREEN MAN OWES ME $3000 NOW.

i THINK HONEY DOES AS WELL.