"Are you suggesting", asked a BBC News person to a doctor on TV just now, "that some people should not come to hospital if their symptoms are mild"? "Um... ah... I wouldn't want..." It is beginning (as predicted weeks ago).

Yep and they should go to hospital if they think they need a hospital. Like my other post on education, the consquences of the Gov's absurd response to this virus need to be realised so we can all move on and avoid the same mistakes in the future.

You can't shut the country down and terrorise a nation for 10 months without consequences. This virus has never come anywhere near requiring this response.

Flood the hospitals. This is the plague people! Quickest way to "discover" it isn't; especially now they have the vaccines to save face...

JK2006 wrote:
"that some people should not come to hospital if their symptoms are mild"

NHS guidance on this is straightforward.

Mild symptoms are a high temperature, cough and loss of smell.

Get tested - and stay at home until you get the result.

Alison wrote:
JK2006 wrote:
"that some people should not come to hospital if their symptoms are mild"

NHS guidance on this is straightforward.

Mild symptoms are a high temperature, cough and loss of smell.

Get tested - and stay at home until you get the result.

Or choke to death.

Honey wrote:
Alison wrote:
JK2006 wrote:
"that some people should not come to hospital if their symptoms are mild"

NHS guidance on this is straightforward.

Mild symptoms are a high temperature, cough and loss of smell.

Get tested - and stay at home until you get the result.

Or choke to death.

Guidelines might be clear but people's minds aren't. What used to be a headache is 50/50 the start of death to millions now.

Gov too stupid to join that dot as well...

not too sure how you folk think this virus should be handled. Suggestions?

the results of "lock downs" are of course catastrophic.

As Oz goes into yet another one he tourism industry is being decimated. For so many younger people to lose jobs is a catastrophe..certainly as Covid boosted dole payments are suddenly reduced but those bills, hefty at the best of times, keep rolling in.(fortunately most utility suppliers are being lenient with payments but certainly don't reduce their charges).

The futility and lie of selling off government owned utilities now exposed as those fabled lower costs never eventuated. No doubt the saintly Tony Blair's privatization spree will soon hit the UK catastrophically.

Mind you a lot of "Disaster Capitalism" is suddenly being unmasked both here and elsewhere.

The retail world was always bound to hit stumbling blocks sooner or later..Covid has sped it up.

Both here and the UK there has been an over supply of retail goods for 2 decades. Shopping has become a past-time hobby rather than a necessity..quickly updating to newer glossy things that aren't really needed.

Meanwhile online shopping has gone into the stratosphere which is now hitting retail space rents.
I bet UK High Streets are becoming desolate and I'm sure the fabled Westfields similar to Oz has expensive stores suddenly being boarded up. (owner & former British hating Haganah member Frank Lowy sensible sold out about 5 years ago and moved to Israel)

China must be loving it seeing the West has handled it's manufacturing base over to them. Now Trump and the Oz Deputy Sheriff PM have decided to insult the Chinese (you will never best them) so they ramp up anti-Chinese sentiment for pure political reasons to the point they have retaliated ..firstly with Oz by banning many $Billion imports.

Wine is one with politicians insulting them further and stating "we'll seek markets elsewhere" which even Blind Freddy might respond.."why not seek markets elsewhere and be nice to China and keep that enormous market that has kept 1000 vineyards in profit for 2 decades"

I note in Oz the reliance by every State government on Casinos for revenue has hit a stumbling block with mega glitzy gambling dens soon to hit the wall. James Packer's humongous Sydney harboutr-side building and casino opened a week ago with little fanfare and even fewer gamblers (he's fled to Mexico).

My previously mentioned beautiful Byron Bay and it's hinterland..such unique countryside..they filmed the defunct "I'm a celebrity etc" nearby is being wrecked as the mega rich and , I'm told by a local real estate agent that (another) 4 un-named Hollywood stars are seeking luxury properties there and they expect many more as they permanently flee Los Angeles (so easy to travel for film-making by private jet now) and he claims a LA based realtor he is friends with expects the LA market to be soon flooded with unsaleable mega mansions for sale.
Meanwhile the nearby luxurious Versace Hotel is facing real financail problems as I'm A Celebrity kept it propped up.

All of this of course must be happening in the UK 10 times over. And then comes Brexit.

Is the fabled QANON claims of the Great Re-set a reality and actually happening?

It's a good time to be old (but look younger and gorgeous) and hopefully one will avoid being made into Soylent Green for the present.

Wyot wrote:
Honey wrote:
Alison wrote:
JK2006 wrote:
"that some people should not come to hospital if their symptoms are mild"

NHS guidance on this is straightforward.

Mild symptoms are a high temperature, cough and loss of smell.

Get tested - and stay at home until you get the result.

Or choke to death.

Guidelines might be clear but people's minds aren't. What used to be a headache is 50/50 the start of death to millions now.

Gov too stupid to join that dot as well...


This is odd.
mbncnews.com/nhs-requires-recently-retir...administer-vaccines/

I haven't been to a British/Irish doctor in years I get medicated in the country I go to. I have received marvellous hospital treatment in Argentina, Canada, Latvia and Chile. I would probably wait and get the Sputnik V jab I don't trust the British government.

hedda wrote:
not too sure how you folk think this virus should be handled. Suggestions?

the results of "lock downs" are of course catastrophic.



We agree that lockdowns are catastrophic. There therefore needs to be a very persuasive evidential base for their efficacy (which I would define as preventing deaths) in order to even consider the use of them.

International comparative studies(I'm not referencing them again as when I do no one responds to the actual data) show no such evidence exists currently. Therefore they should not be used.

Not having an alternative to lockdowns in no way undermines the arguments against using them.

Although JK has suggested some sensible common sense approaches in his new thread I would agree with.

Wyot wrote:
hedda wrote:
not too sure how you folk think this virus should be handled. Suggestions?

the results of "lock downs" are of course catastrophic.



We agree that lockdowns are catastrophic. There therefore needs to be a very persuasive evidential base for their efficacy (which I would define as preventing deaths) in order to even consider the use of them.

International comparative studies(I'm not referencing them again as when I do no one responds to the actual data) show no such evidence exists currently. Therefore they should not be used.

Not having an alternative to lockdowns in no way undermines the arguments against using them.

Although JK has suggested some sensible common sense approaches in his new thread I would agree with.

Actually quick and total lockdowns worked in Australia and New Zealand.

Every Australian state, run by either left or right wing premiers co-operated and acted swiftly. Same same New Zealand. Fewest deaths of anywhere on the planet.

Short sharp shocks but they still of course, having devastating financial consequences.

I've pondered on this and wondered why. Australia has a population the third of the UK but in a vast continent. Yet 95% of people live in coastal cities, each one far larger than any UK city except London.

But even there they are spread out. The funny old concept that every person wanting a house also wanted a front and back yard means a city like Sydney goes on forever..far larger in distance than London. Odd because driving through London to outer suburbs used to take forever from memory.

So the absolute closeness of how people live in the UK and Europe must have something to do with how the disease spreads. Hence I guess the theory of keeping people separated in a pandemic.

Boris really had a Trumpian response though didn't he? Total reluctance to accept a pandemic was about to hit and the monstrous job of telling tens of millions they must stay indoors.

I of course do not know how this can be solved.

As for JK's suggestions..not too sure I'd be taking advice from him over this (I mean that in a caring and sharing manner).

But I do feel a bond with JK now that I discover one of his productions is listed on The World's Worst Records.

Alas, delving through the website I find another record I promoted is also listed.

Were there demos over Sars and Bird Flu? I can't remember

I don't know Hedda I guess a lot of different factors come into play and it will be interesting in time to see them properly unpicked.

Japan for example is incredibly built up but have had very few deaths. They didn't lockdown but effectively quarantined the positives (as opposed to everybody). But yes it is clear just looking at population densities that this plays a part in spread - the South West an outlier compared London or the Midlands.

Maybe the short sharp timely lockdowns in Aus/NZ did play a part in low death rates but maybe other factors were just as important. Maybe such an approach could of worked here, maybe not, but since late March it has been far too late because it was everywhere.

I bet when this is over that the main factor for deaths will be health, marked by obesity. We are the portliest country in Europe...

We have had tier after tier after lockdowns after restrictions for nearly a year and it is doing more harm than good in my view.