The flying monkey, Gayle King, has bleated about the conversation between Prince harry and his father and brother being "unproductive" (probably two words! ) and that they have not yet spoken to Meghan.

Is this Meghan and Harry's equivalent of John Paul Getty the third's ear being sent in the post?

I hadn't heard that ear story! Yes, this situation does sound like that.

My impression of the interview, which I thought stank of disingenuousness and spite, through a heavy veneer of sweetness, was that the twin grenades of racism and indifference to mental distress had been lobbed at the royal family because of bitterness over money. This leak suggests the same to me, i.e. more petulance because money or not enough money is forthcoming, and the fact that Gayle King also mentioned "documents" that would back up the claims in the interview sounded like a threat, almost as if the couple is trying to blackmail the royals.

Gayle King/CBS gave a platform to Virginia Roberts Giuffre. There's an interview King did with her on YouTube: "Jeffrey Epstein was "a sick pedophile" but Ghislaine Maxwell "was the mastermind," accuser claims". Lots of easy questions to enable VRG to tell "her truth". So I'm not sure if King is more of a journalist or a gossip-monger.

What did you make of the story about Kate making Meghan cry/Meghan making Kate cry?

Have to say that when watching the interview, I laughed when Meghan said "And she brought me flowers and a note, apologising. And she did what I would do if I knew that I hurt someone, right, to just take accountability for it." (transcript) It seemed to me that Meghan was trying to steal Kate's thunder and using Kate's apparent act of humility and decency as a means to point up her own goodness and morality. I'd have liked to hear Kate's side of the story. Maybe there's more to it than how it was described in the interview. (cf. Meghan Markle 'slammed door in Kate Middleton's face' after she 'made her cry') I had the impression that Meghan cares more about being seen in a good light than about Kate's apology.

Jo wrote:
I hadn't heard that ear story! Yes, this situation does sound like that.

My impression of the interview, which I thought stank of disingenuousness and spite, through a heavy veneer of sweetness, was that the twin grenades of racism and indifference to mental distress had been lobbed at the royal family because of bitterness over money. This leak suggests the same to me, i.e. more petulance because money or not enough money is forthcoming, and the fact that Gayle King also mentioned "documents" that would back up the claims in the interview sounded like a threat, almost as if the couple is trying to blackmail the royals.

Gayle King/CBS gave a platform to Virginia Roberts Giuffre. There's an interview King did with her on YouTube: "Jeffrey Epstein was "a sick pedophile" but Ghislaine Maxwell "was the mastermind," accuser claims". Lots of easy questions to enable VRG to tell "her truth". So I'm not sure if King is more of a journalist or a gossip-monger.

What did you make of the story about Kate making Meghan cry/Meghan making Kate cry?

Have to say that when watching the interview, I laughed when Meghan said "And she brought me flowers and a note, apologising. And she did what I would do if I knew that I hurt someone, right, to just take accountability for it." (transcript) It seemed to me that Meghan was trying to steal Kate's thunder and using Kate's apparent act of humility and decency as a means to point up her own goodness and morality. I'd have liked to hear Kate's side of the story. Maybe there's more to it than how it was described in the interview. (cf. Meghan Markle 'slammed door in Kate Middleton's face' after she 'made her cry') I had the impression that Meghan cares more about being seen in a good light than about Kate's apology.

On the face of it, it is just a couple of mentally unwell brats having a tantrum because they cant have their cake and eat it, but there must be a lot more to it.

There are suggestions that Oprah/Meghan/Gayle are working with the BLM movement and/or Democrats.
I am not sure how that works, but I know that Gayle King has said absolutely nothing personal about Oprah Winfrey in the last thirty years of being her best friend, so it certainly didn't just slip out.

The Royal household might be lacking in the procedure for dealing with mentally distressed employees or family, but it is nothing unusual.

How Harry can blame someone else though, is baffling.
It is just rubbish for anyone to suggest that he couldn't get help for his wife and unborn child.
Him denying her help and dragging her off to the Albert hall was abusive.

If it even happened, of course.


I think it was reasonable of Catherine to not want her daughter wearing new stiff shoes without socks (I wouldn't) and reasonable for Meghan to choose the outfits at her own wedding and stuff tradition.
I expect they both cried.

It must be true that Meghan told the queen to drop dead, or she would have complained about the reporting of that rather than a row about bridesmaids, surely?

Gayle King must surely have been authorised to put the information out. I noticed that she spoke about the word she'd "been given".

It is hard to believe that a husband wouldn't have taken his pregnant wife seriously if she said she was feeling suicidal.

Stiff shoes with socks: great point and makes sense. Also that Meghan wouldn't have been so concerned with tradition.

Telling the Queen to drop dead does sound quite serious! It is strange that Meghan didn't contradict that one, but she and Harry did seem to make a point of grovelling to the Queen in the interview.

I hadn't heard that about Oprah/Meghan/Gayle, BLM and the Democrats. Sounds as if it might be a conspiracy theory. It seems understandable to me that Americans would be inclined to side with one of their own and people who have experienced racism with someone else claiming the same.

What did you make of Michelle Obama's reaction? She seemed to me to be quite diplomatic and to choose her words carefully. I thought the first part of what she said, about turning the spotlight on the people you serve rather than on yourself, seemed like a slight rebuke. The second part seems to have been interpreted, e.g. by The Guardian, to mean that Michelle Obama wasn't surprised to hear that there's racism in the royal family. I thought that she might just have been saying that she wasn't surprised at Meghan's feelings as a person of colour. But maybe that's the same and I'm grasping at straws…

Michelle Obama: "Race isn't a new construct in this world for people of color. So it wasn't a complete surprise to hear her feelings and to have them articulated" (CNN)

Michelle Obama seems sensible and diplomatic.

Meghan being a possible blackmailer, looney, and narcissist doesn't mean that she hasn't felt some racism, and it would be extremely unusual for there not to be some, because you always get one or two idiots in any organisation.


I felt for her during her wedding. When the preacher went on and on about nonsense, the Royals were doing their best not to laugh. Camilla and Kate were desperately avoiding each others eyes, and Prince Charles was staring at his shoes intently.

I don't think there was anything racist behind it. It was funny. But perhaps some of the humour was that it was so unusual in that sort of setting, which might very well feel like racism if you watch your wedding back and see your new family sniggering?

Feelings and facts are not the same though. I support her in questioning unconscious bias, but telling ridiculous lies with threats is a whole different thing.