The normal daily death count is 25,000 to 30,000 (big population). Bear this in mind when watching the media hype. Likewise big figures in Brazil, USA, China, Russia. It's how you tell 'em, as Tommy Cooper used to say. If you count people who had flu in the past year, that would be the biggest "killer" of humanity.

A new 'double mutant' and large gatherings (religious and sporting) have exponentially increased infections, overwhelming the long underfunded Indian healthcare system. Oxygen supplies are insufficient to cope with 315,000 new cases in the past 24 hours.

Twenty-two patients (out of sixty on ventilators) died in western India hospital because of an oxygen supply malfunction. And the vaccination program is well behind schedule. Help is needed urgently the 1.4 billion inhabitants.

Cary wrote:
A new 'double mutant' and large gatherings (religious and sporting) have exponentially increased infections, overwhelming the long underfunded Indian healthcare system. Oxygen supplies are insufficient to cope with 315,000 new cases in the past 24 hours.

Twenty-two patients (out of sixty on ventilators) died in western India hospital because of an oxygen supply malfunction. And the vaccination program is well behind schedule. Help is needed urgently the 1.4 billion inhabitants.

Barney, Why are they still having large gatherings? Are they going for herd immunity?

India - covid tsunami


www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9501663...st-pandemic-now.html

If you want to stay indoors Barney then fucking stay indoors. I’m happy to be out and about again especially having a drink with people again not within the same 4 walls.

There’s always going to mutants of viruses, however if I die in 35 years later and die of Covid be it. I be in my late 80s and too old to care.

Cary wrote:
India - covid tsunami


www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9501663...st-pandemic-now.html

The deaths are next to nothing. This is really a story about poverty/crowded conditions and a failed health service. A big part of the UK story in 2020 was lack of ICU beds and capacity - lowest in Europe. Look beyond the headlines.

Wyot wrote:
Cary wrote:
India - covid tsunami


www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9501663...st-pandemic-now.html

The deaths are next to nothing. This is really a story about poverty/crowded conditions and a failed health service. A big part of the UK story in 2020 was lack of ICU beds and capacity - lowest in Europe. Look beyond the headlines.

I am sure it will be used as an excuse to sell us some sort of global healthcare business they have all got shares in.

Wyot wrote:
This is really a story about poverty/crowded conditions and a failed health service.


You're absolutely correct. Because a flawed or non-existent health service can easily make a trivial virus into a more potent/infectious one. India's mass (in terms of population and size) has exacerbated its problems, as have bad key decisions and mutants.

Lack of a basic healthcare system/infrastructure has promoted covid to severe status in over 60 countries. Most of these (including Somalia, Mali, Paraguay, and Mauritania) have had virtually no vaccinations. Ideal conditions for a trivial virus, which even the richest countries found difficult.

Stop talking sense Wyot.,

Honey wrote:
[quote]Wyot wrote:
[quote]Cary wrote:


I am sure it will be used as an excuse to sell us some sort of global healthcare business they have all got shares in.

They have been doing this for a year Honey without bothering seeking our consent to the transaction; just check out where billions of our tax monies have gone in PPE procurement, for one.

Not a conspiracy, but panicdemic has been a great excuse.

Perspective / context / Overview Some added thoughts

UK vs India
Populations

69m vs 1,390

Covid-19 deaths per million population

1868 per million UK vs 135 per million India

India is also amazingly very advanced in their vaccination program. Now to date given 127 million doses.

Note a comparison with vaccine effectiveness in the US (not the same exactly so only an indication). The US seemed in general to have a very high daily death rate and infection rate for a long period of time but now after vaccination for some time the numbers are decreasing. Nothing happened to begin with either. So reasonable to expect something similar.

I would consider that India is a positive situation in the pandemic at this point in time. Early days still......

www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

wjlmarsh wrote:
India is also amazingly very advanced in their vaccination program. Now to date given 127 million doses.


Although the program started well (with The Serum Institute of India playing a key role), only about 1% of the population is fully vaccinated.


www.vox.com/2021/4/21/22383860/india-cor...ave-covid-19-vaccine

Cary wrote:
wjlmarsh wrote:
India is also amazingly very advanced in their vaccination program. Now to date given 127 million doses.


Although the program started well (with The Serum Institute of India playing a key role), only about 1% of the population is fully vaccinated.


www.vox.com/2021/4/21/22383860/india-cor...ave-covid-19-vaccine

If you’re getting sources from Vox you’re more than dumber than I thought.

wjlmarsh wrote:
Perspective / context / Overview Some added thoughts

UK vs India
Populations

69m vs 1,390

Covid-19 deaths per million population

1868 per million UK vs 135 per million India

India is also amazingly very advanced in their vaccination program. Now to date given 127 million doses.

Note a comparison with vaccine effectiveness in the US (not the same exactly so only an indication). The US seemed in general to have a very high daily death rate and infection rate for a long period of time but now after vaccination for some time the numbers are decreasing. Nothing happened to begin with either. So reasonable to expect something similar.

I would consider that India is a positive situation in the pandemic at this point in time. Early days still......

www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

They allegedly under report deaths in India while we would count someone who has been run over by a truck after being tested covid positive.

They don't test much while it has become a national fetish in the UK.

Who the hell knows or cares anymore...

Given the number of excess deaths here or anywhere we should have no lockdowns and Covid should be tucked away very low on the news agenda.

World has literally gone mad.

www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-53773070.amp

Wyot wrote:
Who the hell knows or cares anymore...


Most of us do.

The scenes on every news channel of people dying, largely because of no oxygen, are harrowing.

And fatalities aren't expected to peak for another three weeks.

And some of us might even think, if they were on every news channel, pictures of cancer victims in agony, TB patients coughing up blood, road accident victims with broken bones, terminal heart attack corpses with blue lips - were harrowing too Barney.

Of course. What is different though, with the Indian situation, is that there's just no treatment available. No beds, no drugs, no oxygen, no functioning crematoria.

The federal government announced in February last that the battle against the virus was won. Complacency then set in, with huge gatherings allowed.

Oh for God's sake. NO beds? NO oxygen? Don't be stupid.

Only deaths free up beds and enough oxygen can't be manufactured, with a fast emerging black market for it. A mate lives in Mumbai.