Madeleine McCann's parents 'hang on to hope' of seeing her again in poignant message ahead of 18th birthday

Can't believe she'd soon have turned 18.

The anti-McCanns and perfect parents are out in force commenting on articles on this subject on Facebook. Droning on and on about how the McCanns shouldn't have left their children alone (as if they wouldn't have realised that by now), blaming the parents for her disappearance, saying they're sick of hearing about her, why all the fuss about this child when so many others are missing, can only be because the McCanns have money, etc. So much hatred and envy.

Is it just me or didn't the McCanns do something stupid but understandably stupid by probably having their guard down on holiday and feeling a false sense of security at a seemingly family friendly resort and because their friends were doing the same thing with their children? It seems to me that doing something stupid is what people sometimes do and doing stupid things on holiday and in groups probably also isn't unheard of.

I totally agree Jo and suspect most people would. Sadly, it is only the loud odious minority we tend to hear from. Those making themselves feel better about their own short comings and miserable lives by judging others.

It does no good harassing already wretched parents, but the reason some people are annoyed is because..

1) Other families, maybe in dire straights with no child care who leave older children while they go to work, have their children removed and are prosecuted. Leaving them to go on a piss up seems so much worse.

2) The McCanns (I am not attacking them. They were obviously off their rockers afterwards, and people in distress say stupid things) did not take responsibility, and made statements like " If she got hurt when we were out, how is that our fault?" and because they downplayed the distance to the tapas bar. It was not "like sitting in your own garden" unless your own garden is several minutes walk away with a swimming pool in the way!


3) Because they don't understand why they were not charged with child neglect even though this would be usual in Portugal.
If they were shown in court to have been negligent in leaving the child unattended, they could not, at a later date, be convicted of killing the child in the same time frame, if they had been shown to be elsewhere.

Just waiting for another suspect then more funding followed by another dead end.

Honey wrote:
It does no good harassing already wretched parents, but the reason some people are annoyed is because..

1) Other families, maybe in dire straights with no child care who leave older children while they go to work, have their children removed and are prosecuted. Leaving them to go on a piss up seems so much worse.

2) The McCanns (I am not attacking them. They were obviously off their rockers afterwards, and people in distress say stupid things) did not take responsibility, and made statements like " If she got hurt when we were out, how is that our fault?" and because they downplayed the distance to the tapas bar. It was not "like sitting in your own garden" unless your own garden is several minutes walk away with a swimming pool in the way!


3) Because they don't understand why they were not charged with child neglect even though this would be usual in Portugal.
If they were shown in court to have been negligent in leaving the child unattended, they could not, at a later date, be convicted of killing the child in the same time frame, if they had been shown to be elsewhere.

How comes we only hear about Maddie; despite thousands of children vanish?

Charlene Downes never gets a mention these days! Was she chopped up for kebab meat or is that a conspiracy ?

Wyot wrote:
Those making themselves feel better about their own short comings and miserable lives by judging others.

And there's even a few of those who come on here!

Green Man wrote:
Honey wrote:
It does no good harassing already wretched parents, but the reason some people are annoyed is because..

1) Other families, maybe in dire straights with no child care who leave older children while they go to work, have their children removed and are prosecuted. Leaving them to go on a piss up seems so much worse.

2) The McCanns (I am not attacking them. They were obviously off their rockers afterwards, and people in distress say stupid things) did not take responsibility, and made statements like " If she got hurt when we were out, how is that our fault?" and because they downplayed the distance to the tapas bar. It was not "like sitting in your own garden" unless your own garden is several minutes walk away with a swimming pool in the way!


3) Because they don't understand why they were not charged with child neglect even though this would be usual in Portugal.
If they were shown in court to have been negligent in leaving the child unattended, they could not, at a later date, be convicted of killing the child in the same time frame, if they had been shown to be elsewhere.

How comes we only hear about Maddie; despite thousands of children vanish?

Charlene Downes never gets a mention these days! Was she chopped up for kebab meat or is that a conspiracy ?

What a horrible case that was. That was another case that collapsed because of mistreatment by the police.

Honey wrote:
It does no good harassing already wretched parents, but the reason some people are annoyed is because..

1) Other families, maybe in dire straights with no child care who leave older children while they go to work, have their children removed and are prosecuted. Leaving them to go on a piss up seems so much worse.
I understood that they were regularly checking on their sleeping children rather than abandoning them for the day, and having dinner at a restaurant.

2) The McCanns (I am not attacking them. They were obviously off their rockers afterwards, and people in distress say stupid things) did not take responsibility, and made statements like " If she got hurt when we were out, how is that our fault?" and because they downplayed the distance to the tapas bar. It was not "like sitting in your own garden" unless your own garden is several minutes walk away with a swimming pool in the way!
Blaming the McCanns for the harm done to their child seems to me like blaming someone for getting raped by deciding to walk through a park at night. They made a poor decision and gave the abductor the opportunity but surely whatever has happened to Madeleine is the abductor's/accomplices' fault. Likening the resort to their own garden may have been a reference to how secure they felt. Some people also have big gardens.

3) Because they don't understand why they were not charged with child neglect even though this would be usual in Portugal.
If they were shown in court to have been negligent in leaving the child unattended, they could not, at a later date, be convicted of killing the child in the same time frame, if they had been shown to be elsewhere.
The McCanns aren't to blame for not being charged with child neglect.

Jo wrote:
Honey wrote:
It does no good harassing already wretched parents, but the reason some people are annoyed is because..

1) Other families, maybe in dire straights with no child care who leave older children while they go to work, have their children removed and are prosecuted. Leaving them to go on a piss up seems so much worse.
I understood that they were regularly checking on their sleeping children rather than abandoning them for the day, and having dinner at a restaurant.

2) The McCanns (I am not attacking them. They were obviously off their rockers afterwards, and people in distress say stupid things) did not take responsibility, and made statements like " If she got hurt when we were out, how is that our fault?" and because they downplayed the distance to the tapas bar. It was not "like sitting in your own garden" unless your own garden is several minutes walk away with a swimming pool in the way!
Blaming the McCanns for the harm done to their child seems to me like blaming someone for getting raped by deciding to walk through a park at night. They made a poor decision and gave the abductor the opportunity but surely whatever has happened to Madeleine is the abductor's/accomplices' fault. Likening the resort to their own garden may have been a reference to how secure they felt. Some people also have big gardens.

3) Because they don't understand why they were not charged with child neglect even though this would be usual in Portugal.
If they were shown in court to have been negligent in leaving the child unattended, they could not, at a later date, be convicted of killing the child in the same time frame, if they had been shown to be elsewhere.
The McCanns aren't to blame for not being charged with child neglect.

My opinions, which I have NEVER commented on in public, are based on the police statements, not media gossip.
I am just explaining why, if you don't understand about the neglect charge, it makes it look like special treatment, and why, combined with the poor doolally McCanns not making sense at first, it made people suspicious of a cover up.

I think it is fine to be angry where there is non cooperation and obstruction in a missing child case, and fine to be annoyed at all the false accusations, but it is below the belt to direct it at grieving parents.

Gael Vella wrote:
Wyot wrote:
Those making themselves feel better about their own short comings and miserable lives by judging others.

And there's even a few of those who come on here!




We all judge people, Barney. It is how we assess danger, and is completely normal.
You can do it with a kind heart, or do it with spite, but it is still judging.

How on earth did the 'abductor' get in the hotel room ? Even the seedy and cheap motels have solid doors.Motel 6 are not cheap as they once were but they have decent security.

I never had issues in hotels in South Africa and it only 3 stars hotel I stay; only because money runs out very quickly in SA especially in Johannesburg, shops are expensive, yet cheaper than UK. Port Elizabeth is stunning and worth every penny not had any issue's there either.

I go to London I get asked for money as I exit any tube or train station and I have had my wallet pinched.

Honey wrote:
Gael Vella wrote:
Wyot wrote:
Those making themselves feel better about their own short comings and miserable lives by judging others.

And there's even a few of those who come on here!




We all judge people, Barney. It is how we assess danger, and is completely normal.
You can do it with a kind heart, or do it with spite, but it is still judging.


I have only ever judged your opinions and ability to reason Barney, which is what happens in debate. As you have mine. The McCann haters judge their moral worth and decency as human beings with vile and offensive language and baseless accusations. I don't believe I have ever questioned your decency as a human being Barney and am at a loss as to why you would infer that I have, other than the fact that after a year of making you look silly on Covid and how percentages work, I have become your nemesis!

Green Man wrote:
How on earth did the 'abductor' get in the hotel room ? Even the seedy and cheap motels have solid doors.Motel 6 are not cheap as they once were but they have decent security.

I never had issues in hotels in South Africa and it only 3 stars hotel I stay; only because money runs out very quickly in SA especially in Johannesburg, shops are expensive, yet cheaper than UK. Port Elizabeth is stunning and worth every penny not had any issue's there either.

I go to London I get asked for money as I exit any tube or train station and I have had my wallet pinched.

It wasn't a hotel room, Greenman, it was a flat on a busy road outside the complex and the patio doors were apparently left open.

This shows where it was, and how easy it would be to walk in and out unnoticed.

Ignore the text.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-474428/...check-Madeleine.html


What sort of issues were you expecting? Wherever you go you wouldn't expect your children to be abducted, surely?

The 'barney' post wasn't making any comparison or judgement about anyone - and didn't make any reference to any individual(s).

Or deem a fellow poster to be a 'nemisis' - which is a rare accolade on this fine forum. Such an analysis is extraordinary.

But even this poster is often wrong - and simply tries to see others' opinions. No agenda, no bias - but optimism for life and the future.

Gael Vella wrote:
The 'barney' post wasn't making any comparison or judgement about anyone - and didn't make any reference to any individual(s).

Or deem a fellow poster to be a 'nemisis' - which is a rare accolade on this fine forum. Such an analysis is extraordinary.

But even this poster is often wrong - and simply tries to see others' opinions. No agenda, no bias - but optimism for life and the future.

What?

Gael Vella wrote:
The 'barney' post wasn't making any comparison or judgement about anyone - and didn't make any reference to any individual(s).

Or deem a fellow poster to be a 'nemisis' - which is a rare accolade on this fine forum. Such an analysis is extraordinary.

But even this poster is often wrong - and simply tries to see others' opinions. No agenda, no bias - but optimism for life and the future.

As a continuation of my observation about McCann trolls and haters, you opined that there are "a few of those" who come onto this forum because of their own short comings and miserable lives in order to judge others.

This is a judgment about others character, it is very impolite and I don't think it an irrational conclusion when you make this statement - off the back of one of my posts and with a smiley face - to assume you include me within their number.

Honey wrote:
My opinions, which I have NEVER commented on in public, are based on the police statements, not media gossip.
I am just explaining why, if you don't understand about the neglect charge, it makes it look like special treatment, and why, combined with the poor doolally McCanns not making sense at first, it made people suspicious of a cover up.

I think it is fine to be angry where there is non cooperation and obstruction in a missing child case, and fine to be annoyed at all the false accusations, but it is below the belt to direct it at grieving parents.
I see what you mean now.

Honey wrote:
Green Man wrote:
How on earth did the 'abductor' get in the hotel room ? Even the seedy and cheap motels have solid doors.Motel 6 are not cheap as they once were but they have decent security.

I never had issues in hotels in South Africa and it only 3 stars hotel I stay; only because money runs out very quickly in SA especially in Johannesburg, shops are expensive, yet cheaper than UK. Port Elizabeth is stunning and worth every penny not had any issue's there either.

I go to London I get asked for money as I exit any tube or train station and I have had my wallet pinched.

It wasn't a hotel room, Greenman, it was a flat on a busy road outside the complex and the patio doors were apparently left open.

This shows where it was, and how easy it would be to walk in and out unnoticed.

Ignore the text.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-474428/...check-Madeleine.html


What sort of issues were you expecting? Wherever you go you wouldn't expect your children to be abducted, surely?

My mistake I thought it was a hotel. I wouldn't let my daughters sleep alone if they were young children, whilst we went out to enjoy ourselves. 😉

I'm just waiting for the next suspect who is either a weirdo or a sex pest. The police dig up up his garden etc but find nothing.

Honey wrote:
Gael Vella wrote:
The 'barney' post wasn't making any comparison or judgement about anyone - and didn't make any reference to any individual(s).

Or deem a fellow poster to be a 'nemisis' - which is a rare accolade on this fine forum. Such an analysis is extraordinary.

But even this poster is often wrong - and simply tries to see others' opinions. No agenda, no bias - but optimism for life and the future.

What?

He's rattled so not making sense. He just wanted to make his nasty comment and move on; not to be challenged on it. I anticipate a name change soon...

left them alone? they were only across the courtyard.

My parents left me alone so many times (glad to get rid of them).

Once I recall I was alone in the house & my favourite aunt turned up in a huge new American convertible and took me for a drive saying how terrible my parents were (but I suspect they had pre-arranged this. I was her favourite & I think she was currying favour & who could blame her? )

Another time in the country they left me and my brother in the house and he put me in the back of a delivery man's truck when he wasn't looking. He only discovered me in the next village, giggling away .

Can you imagine the charges the poor man would be on today?

I hate the way the Witch Finder Generals accused the McCann parents. They still do.