That's from Monday. Free travel; no quarantine; whoops. Not France. Reversed. God he's appalling.

The French did a major march today. Funny how the media avoided it apart from RT.

francais.rt.com/france/88801-manifestati...sanitaire-en-continu

"15,537 new daily symptomatic cases in partly or fully vaccinated. Last week it was 11,084 (up 40%). With cases in the vaccinated group continuing to rise, the number of new cases in the vaccinated population is set to overtake the unvaccinated in the coming days." covid.joinzoe.com/post/new-cases-plateau-aead-of-freedom-day

What is the point of health passes if already vaccinated people can still become symptomatic and thus spread the virus? Or am I not understanding the bleeding obvious?

Yes vaccinated people will still get and spread the trivial virus just as they get and spread colds and flu; totally natural, infectious diseases (we don't test for colds or flu - why would we?). And vaccinated people will get very few serious symptoms. With media hype, of course, many will flood hospitals with mild sore throats, of course. The gullibles are REALLY stupid. They even believe the naked Emperor is wearing a fabulous new suit.

Peter wrote:


What is the point of health passes if already vaccinated people can still become symptomatic and thus spread the virus? Or am I not understanding the bleeding obvious?

We can't be sure, of course, because there is no honesty on the subject. But I suspect the vaccine push is about getting as many vaccinated as possible to lower "with Covid" death counts; and the vaccine is doing that. It is not about not being infectious. If the media stopped covering Covid with such addicted fervour, then politicians would be able to stop banging on about it...

Johnson and his team have no political judgment whatsoever, hence the u-turn:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57879730

How did they think dodging self-isolaton would play out? I mean I don't give a shit what they do but the lack of judgment is astonishing...

Wyot wrote:
Peter wrote:


What is the point of health passes if already vaccinated people can still become symptomatic and thus spread the virus? Or am I not understanding the bleeding obvious?

We can't be sure, of course, because there is no honesty on the subject. But I suspect the vaccine push is about getting as many vaccinated as possible to lower "with Covid" death counts; and the vaccine is doing that. It is not about not being infectious. If the media stopped covering Covid with such addicted fervour, then politicians would be able to stop banging on about it...

If the vaccines are lowering the "with" covid deaths, it indicates that they were always "because of" not "with".

Honey wrote:
[quote]Wyot wrote:
[quote]Peter wrote:



If the vaccines are lowering the "with" covid deaths, it indicates that they were always "because of" not "with".

No it doesn't; it just means less people are ending up in hospital because they are not getting so seriously ill with, e.g, a combination of diabetes & Covid.

We know Covid exacerbated existing conditions and killed some numbers as a result. No arguing with the "with". The person who died who was 23 stone with a load of health complications, died because of both Covid AND their health condition, which would have killed them one way or another anyway.

That person did not die "of Covid" in itself.

Though not much of a comfort to them I realise....

Wyot wrote:
[quote]Honey wrote:
[quote]Wyot wrote:
Peter wrote:



If the vaccines are lowering the "with" covid deaths, it indicates that they were always "because of" not "with".

No it doesn't; it just means less people are ending up in hospital because they are not getting so seriously ill with, e.g, a combination of diabetes & Covid.

We know Covid exacerbated existing conditions and killed some numbers as a result. No arguing with the "with". The person who died who was 23 stone with a load of health complications, died because of both Covid AND their health condition, which would have killed them one way or another anyway.

That person did not die "of Covid" in itself.

Though not much of a comfort to them I realise....

Sounds like Barney is back in the basement.

Green Man wrote:
[quote]Wyot wrote:
[quote]Honey wrote:
Wyot wrote:
Peter wrote:



If the vaccines are lowering the "with" covid deaths, it indicates that they were always "because of" not "with".

No it doesn't; it just means less people are ending up in hospital because they are not getting so seriously ill with, e.g, a combination of diabetes & Covid.

We know Covid exacerbated existing conditions and killed some numbers as a result. No arguing with the "with". The person who died who was 23 stone with a load of health complications, died because of both Covid AND their health condition, which would have killed them one way or another anyway.

That person did not die "of Covid" in itself.

Though not much of a comfort to them I realise....

Sounds like Barney is back in the basement.

He never left. Just got smarter.

Honey wrote:
[quote]Green Man wrote:
[quote]Wyot wrote:
Honey wrote:
Wyot wrote:
Peter wrote:



If the vaccines are lowering the "with" covid deaths, it indicates that they were always "because of" not "with".

No it doesn't; it just means less people are ending up in hospital because they are not getting so seriously ill with, e.g, a combination of diabetes & Covid.

We know Covid exacerbated existing conditions and killed some numbers as a result. No arguing with the "with". The person who died who was 23 stone with a load of health complications, died because of both Covid AND their health condition, which would have killed them one way or another anyway.

That person did not die "of Covid" in itself.

Though not much of a comfort to them I realise....

Sounds like Barney is back in the basement.

He never left. Just got smarter.

Yes there was no way that tricksy-clever Honey post was Barney...

Irreversible damage caused by the vaccine. People who I know who have had the vaccine have ended in hospital due to allergic reactions, they still caught covid or still suffer the side affects from it. How about we sign a waiver saying "I rather take my chances" what happened to "my body my choice" or is that only for baby killers ?

dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/07/19/spanish-res...s-of-graphene-oxide/

Green Man wrote:
Irreversible damage caused by the vaccine. People who I know who have had the vaccine have ended in hospital due to allergic reactions, they still caught covid or still suffer the side affects from it. How about we sign a waiver saying "I rather take my chances" what happened to "my body my choice" or is that only for baby killers ?

dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/07/19/spanish-res...s-of-graphene-oxide/

It is bollocks. We would be dead already.

How many people do you know PERSONALLY, not online, who have had a reaction and been hospitalised because of it?

And what was the time frame between them having the vaccine and being diagnosed with covid?

Don't have it if you don't want it, Greenman. But please don't decide based on unverifiable information from nutters online.
(except me! )

Green Man wrote:
Irreversible damage caused by the vaccine. People who I know who have had the vaccine have ended in hospital due to allergic reactions, they still caught covid or still suffer the side affects from it. How about we sign a waiver saying "I rather take my chances" what happened to "my body my choice" or is that only for baby killers ?

dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/07/19/spanish-res...s-of-graphene-oxide/

Highly suspect GM. The link to the report doesn't link to anything, the credentials of the researchers aren't stated, the "research" hasn't been peer-reviewed or published in any established journal, the University of Almeria, where the research allegedly originated, has distanced itself from the research.

www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2021/07/10...upported-claims/amp/

My question as well when I see this stuff: why? Why would some cabal wish to murder most of the population (this can be the only motive surely for mass injecting us with deadly toxins?) Just, why!? It leaves no one to make money from or rule over...

Having said this I am in total agreement with you that people should be able to choose; and not discriminted against if they don't take it.

Honey wrote:
Green Man wrote:
Irreversible damage caused by the vaccine. People who I know who have had the vaccine have ended in hospital due to allergic reactions, they still caught covid or still suffer the side affects from it. How about we sign a waiver saying "I rather take my chances" what happened to "my body my choice" or is that only for baby killers ?

dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/07/19/spanish-res...s-of-graphene-oxide/

It is bollocks. We would be dead already.

How many people do you know PERSONALLY, not online, who have had a reaction and been hospitalised because of it?

And what was the time frame between them having the vaccine and being diagnosed with covid?

Don't have it if you don't want it, Greenman. But please don't decide based on unverifiable information from nutters online.
(except me! )

15 so far both family and friends have been infectedwithvaccines. I have proper friends who are human, who I meet up and go for a drink with. In USA you are looking at another 10 with similar affects. My daughters have refused their vaccines.

Green Man wrote:
Honey wrote:
Green Man wrote:
Irreversible damage caused by the vaccine. People who I know who have had the vaccine have ended in hospital due to allergic reactions, they still caught covid or still suffer the side affects from it. How about we sign a waiver saying "I rather take my chances" what happened to "my body my choice" or is that only for baby killers ?

dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/07/19/spanish-res...s-of-graphene-oxide/

It is bollocks. We would be dead already.

How many people do you know PERSONALLY, not online, who have had a reaction and been hospitalised because of it?

And what was the time frame between them having the vaccine and being diagnosed with covid?

Don't have it if you don't want it, Greenman. But please don't decide based on unverifiable information from nutters online.
(except me! )

15 so far both family and friends have been infectedwithvaccines. I have proper friends who are human, who I meet up and go for a drink with. In USA you are looking at another 10 with similar affects. My daughters have refused their vaccines.

I wasnt implying that you had no friends, Greenman (though you wont be going in pubs with them come September) but people online can exaggerate or tell porkies.

Unless they were actually hospitalised with an allergic reaction to the vaccine, I would put it down to after effects of any vaccine like flu, but if you know them personally you must just be an unlucky bunch?

Honey wrote:
Green Man wrote:
Honey wrote:
Green Man wrote:
Irreversible damage caused by the vaccine. People who I know who have had the vaccine have ended in hospital due to allergic reactions, they still caught covid or still suffer the side affects from it. How about we sign a waiver saying "I rather take my chances" what happened to "my body my choice" or is that only for baby killers ?

dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/07/19/spanish-res...s-of-graphene-oxide/

It is bollocks. We would be dead already.

How many people do you know PERSONALLY, not online, who have had a reaction and been hospitalised because of it?

And what was the time frame between them having the vaccine and being diagnosed with covid?

Don't have it if you don't want it, Greenman. But please don't decide based on unverifiable information from nutters online.
(except me! )

15 so far both family and friends have been infectedwithvaccines. I have proper friends who are human, who I meet up and go for a drink with. In USA you are looking at another 10 with similar affects. My daughters have refused their vaccines.

I wasnt implying that you had no friends, Greenman (though you wont be going in pubs with them come September) but people online can exaggerate or tell porkies.

Unless they were actually hospitalised with an allergic reaction to the vaccine, I would put it down to after effects of any vaccine like flu, but if you know them personally you must just be an unlucky bunch?


The only way to get get through this pandemic is to carry on and herd immunity.