Now I wonder why?

Hilarious....not that he is dead but that anyone thinks he could be "healthy" at that weight. Is unhealthy the new norm?

Exactly; he was clearly a very overweight 21 year old and it's obvious that too much weight can mean fat in the lungs and problems for the breathing system (let alone the heart; clogged with fat). So when a respiratory virus attacks a seemingly healthy person - be they young or old, male or female or both - they become vulnerable. Isn't that common sense? When a totally healthy young woman gets cancer and dies, might the fact that she smoked 20 cigarettes a day have something to do with it? The question is - as you've noticed WYOT, how can media be so STUPID as not to notice reality? And how can most people be gullible enough to believe media unthinking? That really disturbs me. It's MADNESS.

There does now seem to be a massive media disjoin from reality. I get that they have a story they want- healthy person dies! - but this is stretching it beyond farce.

Like you say he was vulnerable because of what that weight was doing to his body - then Covid hit that body. If it wasn't Covid it might have been a heart attack in a few years. He was vulnerable because of self abuse with food; like an alcoholic is through drink to liver failure.

You don't have to be diagnosed with disease to be unhealthy or vulnerable. Why the media can't seem to see what is staring them in the face - if you don't know having been in it for years and used it so effectively I haven't a clue Mr King!

That's a master class in assumption, conjecture and imagination.

Nothing has been published to suggest abuse, or anything else.

Smugness and self-righteousness are also illnesses - particularly when the source is the internet.

Aren't they stupid; is it any wonder; overweight people are very vulnerable?!

He was healthy because the media said.

Looking at pictures of him he would of suffered a either a stroke or fatal heart attack.

Why do people abuse their bodies?

Green Man wrote:
He was healthy because the media said.

Looking at pictures of him he would of suffered a either a stroke or fatal heart attack.

Why do people abuse their bodies?
Medical practitioners and scientists are monitoring this closely. However, appetite control not only relates to the body but also to the mind and emotions.

www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/09/why-covi...even-if-theyre-young

Pete wrote:
That's a master class in assumption, conjecture and imagination.

Nothing has been published to suggest abuse, or anything else.

Smugness and self-righteousness are also illnesses - particularly when the source is the internet.

Aren't they stupid; is it any wonder; overweight people are very vulnerable?!

What is an assumption or conjecture Pete? That he was overweight? See picture. That being morbidly obese is bad for the health and that perhaps it was self-inflicted rather than he woke up one day that overweight due to a bad dream or divine intervention? I didn't mention stupidity at all; stupidity, unlike obesity, is a relative concept best left for others to demonstrate.

Many people are overweight for a variety of reasons. Many people choose to smoke a killer drug. Many people drink alcohol knowing it is a poison. You make your choice and behave accordingly. But it's the media I condemn for failing to point out the obvious whilst going for the better story. And gullibles for believing without thinking.

It really isn't as simple as "if you are fat covid will kill you".
Again, this is black and white media-led thinking.

Overall it is a risk factor, (and yes, yes, lets all eat well and exercise) but it isn't necessarily a factor in individual cases.

If you are fat above a certain level, you will be less healthy than you would be if you were slim, but not necessary unhealthy compared to most other people.

It is not the fatness itself, but the medical conditions that obesity might cause, such as diabetes and heart and lung problems which cause the additional danger.
Sometimes people react badly for no specific reason.

Fat gives an increased risk in general, but presumably was not a factor for this poor chap, otherwise an underlying condition would have shown up with the post mortem.

Honey wrote:


It is not the fatness itself, but the medical conditions that obesity might cause, such as diabetes and heart and lung problems which cause the additional danger.


There are plenty of studies that have found differently Honey.

www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/09/why-covi...even-if-theyre-young

Yes the medical conditions can increase risk but study after study has found that obesity in and of itself is a very significant "independent" risk factor.

In this one obesity meant:

114 % more likely to be admitted to hospital
74 % more likely to end up in ICU
48 % more likely to die.

If we drop what a definition of "healthy" is for a moment; the problem is clear.

We can't keep making ourselves these sizes and expect not to be vulnerable to nature. I know there are many reasons why it can be challenging for some to sort out; but the best public health policy last March, it now seems, would have been to protect the elderly in care homes and scare the crap out of the obese - while advising and assisting!- into losing weight.

Not scare the crap out of everyone into staying indoors and wearing cloth nappies on their faces; which has benefitted no one apart from Englands economic competitors....

Seriously, how many obese victims of Covid may have saved themselves if we had focused properly on it? It is a tragedy. Might not the poor chap in this thread have avoided his fate if he had been made to really understand what risks he was running?

I have to agree with WYOT. I'm sitting in France by the pools and the beaches and even here I'd say 40% are incredibly overweight; children, grannies, uncles. Bellies plopping over trunks and completely covering bikinis. Arse cheeks not fitting into suits. Fat thighs; pendulous breasts (male and female). Chins galore. Fat faces.

Now I know I've always called myself a fat queen; ever since a friend mentioned me to a friend back in the 80s who answered "Oh yes I know him; I love his shows; he's that fat queen on Entertainment USA".

But I try not to be too overweight. Especially since I was diagnosed diabetic. I watch my diet; take my pills and, most important of all, try to swim for several hours a day at least 6 months every year.

Because I've always thought - too much fat means trouble.

Wyot wrote:
Honey wrote:


It is not the fatness itself, but the medical conditions that obesity might cause, such as diabetes and heart and lung problems which cause the additional danger.


There are plenty of studies that have found differently Honey.

www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/09/why-covi...even-if-theyre-young

Yes the medical conditions can increase risk but study after study has found that obesity in and of itself is a very significant "independent" risk factor.

In this one obesity meant:

114 % more likely to be admitted to hospital
74 % more likely to end up in ICU
48 % more likely to die.

If we drop what a definition of "healthy" is for a moment; the problem is clear.

We can't keep making ourselves these sizes and expect not to be vulnerable to nature. I know there are many reasons why it can be challenging for some to sort out; but the best public health policy last March, it now seems, would have been to protect the elderly in care homes and scare the crap out of the obese - while advising and assisting!- into losing weight.

Not scare the crap out of everyone into staying indoors and wearing cloth nappies on their faces; which has benefitted no one apart from Englands economic competitors....

Seriously, how many obese victims of Covid may have saved themselves if we had focused properly on it? It is a tragedy. Might not the poor chap in this thread have avoided his fate if he had been made to really understand what risks he was running?

I dont think I explained it very well.
Obesity raises our chance of death (for all sorts of things) in general, yes, and over a certain weight it is inevitable that it will cause a problem one day.

If the "one day" hasn't happened yet, and the post mortem shows the person was healthy, then obesity was not part of it.

So yes, we are not really disagreeing. Obesity will inevitably make you ill or kill you if something else doesn't get you first, and it is unbelievable that the government chose to encourage fatness by locking us up, making lots of us poorer, depressing us and shutting gyms, pools and sport clubs.

While you cant say that every fat person is less able to fight covid, overall, I am sure some people have succumbed as a direct result of lockdown weight.

Mr King, You prove my point.

You are healthier being active and eating well even if you were heavier than you are, than someone inactive who smokes and drinks and eats crap.

I am very sure that your diabetes was not caused by diet or fatness.
I am guessing it happened when you were forced to eat prison food? (it is common)

Mr King, You are an example of how we can control our own outcomes
You are healthier being active and eating well even if you were a bit heavier, than someone slimmer but inactive who smokes and drinks and eats crap, and it looks like your diet is exactly what is needed to control the diabetes.

Wyot wrote:
There does now seem to be a massive media disjoin from reality. I get that they have a story they want- healthy person dies! - but this is stretching it beyond farce.

Like you say he was vulnerable because of what that weight was doing to his body - then Covid hit that body. If it wasn't Covid it might have been a heart attack in a few years. He was vulnerable because of self abuse with food; like an alcoholic is through drink to liver failure.

You don't have to be diagnosed with disease to be unhealthy or vulnerable. Why the media can't seem to see what is staring them in the face - if you don't know having been in it for years and used it so effectively I haven't a clue Mr King!

A Good Story (™ © JK)

I THINK I'M GETTING TIRED OF THE MEDIA ( Mailonline especially)).

Oh sorry about the double post. The first one wouldn't "press go" so I started again.

My cat is innocent this time.

I left both posts up Honey because you're right; my diet was badly affected by lack of things like low fat spread instead of butter and skimmed milk in prison; let alone none of my standard super foods like avocado. And limited exercise. Surrey Police made me diabetic. Amongst other things.

JK2006 wrote:
I left both posts up Honey because you're right; my diet was badly affected by lack of things like low fat spread instead of butter and skimmed milk in prison; let alone none of my standard super foods like avocado. And limited exercise. Surrey Police made me diabetic. Amongst other things.

If you could prove it, it might make them think twice about feeding prisoners rubbish food.

But one thing at a time.