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Why is the assumption made that we are such an unhealthy society (this is why relatively we were hit harder by Covid than many Europen neighbours) because people are unaware of what a healthy lifestyle is?
All it takes is the right "pointer". Well, really?
Does anyone seriously now not know you should eat more fruit than deep fried chips? That moving is better for the mind and body than sitting down all day? That smoking is a bad idea?
The real question that should be asked is: why do so many people not want to take responsibility for their own health? Not how far can the State further infantilise and take responsibility for citizens?
Wyot wrote: Does anyone seriously now not know you should eat more fruit than deep fried chips?
I suspect that a lot of people's eating habits come from their parents'/guardians' cooking/eating habits when they were growing up. If all you got was fish and chips, pizzas, burgers, ready meals, takeaways, white bread, biscuits, cake, ice-cream, etc. you might well not know how to cook a healthy meal/eat healthily or feel the need to do so. You might even not consider fruit, veg, etc. very appetising, preferring something familiarly salty/fatty/sugary instead.
I sometimes dip into videos from a YouTube channel called Wolter's World, with an American guy called Mark Wolter, who does a lot of travelling with his wife and two young sons and produces videos about the places they visit. His videos are well done and informative. They also do videos about food in various parts of the US and you should see the stuff they choose to eat when eating out. The "food" seems to come in a strict range of colours: orange (for battered and deep-fried, i.e. almost everything), yellow (e.g. cheese, chips), brown (meat, baked goods, chocolate), red (ketchup), white (sauce). Not a green thing in sight! I watched a video of them in the UK (or maybe Ireland, can't remember) and guess what "cuisine" he showed…? Fish and chips and a full English/Irish breakfast! Needless to say, he is overweight, though his wife and kids don't seem to be, which is surprising.
Funnily enough without thinking about it, I have cut down on meat in the last 3 weeks. I don't feel better or worse nor has weight plummted or shot up.
I have never been one for fish 'n' chips or takeaways to have often even in my younger days I didn't bother. I do like the odd Chinese or Indian once a month with my partner never on my own.
When I am shopping (not food shopping) with my partner we will grab a Gregg's sausage roll, for fuel and to keep my blood levels up, for looking around clothes shops etc. Then we have a dinner about 8PM.
We all have to eat because we have to, but however can anyone eat for the sake of it ?
I look at some fast food joints selling awful stuff like cheesy chips and burgers that looks there 4 stacked up. I will never go vegan, I have tried 3 times it's very boring and plant-based meat tastes like crap.
Full English can be healthy but it depends on the cooking oil you're using and never use cheap sausages or bacon because it's full of salt. I don't like hash browns so I ask for extra black pudding instead. Again I always feel sluggish after eating a Full English breakfast, so I don't eat them that much.
I have noticed the older I get the less I actually enjoy food.
Green Man wrote: Too much off a good thing can be dangerous.
Funnily enough without thinking about it, I have cut down on meat in the last 3 weeks. I don't feel better or worse nor has weight plummted or shot up.
I have never been one for fish 'n' chips or takeaways to have often even in my younger days I didn't bother. I do like the odd Chinese or Indian once a month with my partner never on my own.
When I am shopping (not food shopping) with my partner we will grab a Gregg's sausage roll, for fuel and to keep my blood levels up, for looking around clothes shops etc. Then we have a dinner about 8PM.
We all have to eat because we have to, but however can anyone eat for the sake of it ?
I look at some fast food joints selling awful stuff like cheesy chips and burgers that looks there 4 stacked up. I will never go vegan, I have tried 3 times it's very boring and plant-based meat tastes like crap.
Full English can be healthy but it depends on the cooking oil you're using and never use cheap sausages or bacon because it's full of salt. I don't like hash browns so I ask for extra black pudding instead. Again I always feel sluggish after eating a Full English breakfast, so I don't eat them that much.
I have noticed the older I get the less I actually enjoy food.
The reason meat substitutes often taste like crap is that it is actually made of crappy waste products and a whole load of additives and filler rolled in garlic and salt to give it flavour.
My objection is that once we have all been browbeaten into giving up meat, we will be completely reliant on the very few (mostly just five, I think?) giant companies who process this stuff that is pretty much devoid of nutrients and joy.
It is generally agreed that the absolutely worst thing you can eat is ultra processed food, so why are we encouraging it?
Honey wrote: Green Man wrote: Too much off a good thing can be dangerous.
Funnily enough without thinking about it, I have cut down on meat in the last 3 weeks. I don't feel better or worse nor has weight plummted or shot up.
I have never been one for fish 'n' chips or takeaways to have often even in my younger days I didn't bother. I do like the odd Chinese or Indian once a month with my partner never on my own.
When I am shopping (not food shopping) with my partner we will grab a Gregg's sausage roll, for fuel and to keep my blood levels up, for looking around clothes shops etc. Then we have a dinner about 8PM.
We all have to eat because we have to, but however can anyone eat for the sake of it ?
I look at some fast food joints selling awful stuff like cheesy chips and burgers that looks there 4 stacked up. I will never go vegan, I have tried 3 times it's very boring and plant-based meat tastes like crap.
Full English can be healthy but it depends on the cooking oil you're using and never use cheap sausages or bacon because it's full of salt. I don't like hash browns so I ask for extra black pudding instead. Again I always feel sluggish after eating a Full English breakfast, so I don't eat them that much.
I have noticed the older I get the less I actually enjoy food.
The reason meat substitutes often taste like crap is that it is actually made of crappy waste products and a whole load of additives and filler rolled in garlic and salt to give it flavour.
My objection is that once we have all been browbeaten into giving up meat, we will be completely reliant on the very few (mostly just five, I think?) giant companies who process this stuff that is pretty much devoid of nutrients and joy.
It is generally agreed that the absolutely worst thing you can eat is ultra processed food, so why are we encouraging it?
Between 2030 and 2050 meat will be luxury. Meal worms will be the norm and insects will be snacks like crisps. Or the only meat will be lab meat.
Green Man wrote: Honey wrote: Green Man wrote: Too much off a good thing can be dangerous.
Funnily enough without thinking about it, I have cut down on meat in the last 3 weeks. I don't feel better or worse nor has weight plummted or shot up.
I have never been one for fish 'n' chips or takeaways to have often even in my younger days I didn't bother. I do like the odd Chinese or Indian once a month with my partner never on my own.
When I am shopping (not food shopping) with my partner we will grab a Gregg's sausage roll, for fuel and to keep my blood levels up, for looking around clothes shops etc. Then we have a dinner about 8PM.
We all have to eat because we have to, but however can anyone eat for the sake of it ?
I look at some fast food joints selling awful stuff like cheesy chips and burgers that looks there 4 stacked up. I will never go vegan, I have tried 3 times it's very boring and plant-based meat tastes like crap.
Full English can be healthy but it depends on the cooking oil you're using and never use cheap sausages or bacon because it's full of salt. I don't like hash browns so I ask for extra black pudding instead. Again I always feel sluggish after eating a Full English breakfast, so I don't eat them that much.
I have noticed the older I get the less I actually enjoy food.
The reason meat substitutes often taste like crap is that it is actually made of crappy waste products and a whole load of additives and filler rolled in garlic and salt to give it flavour.
My objection is that once we have all been browbeaten into giving up meat, we will be completely reliant on the very few (mostly just five, I think?) giant companies who process this stuff that is pretty much devoid of nutrients and joy.
It is generally agreed that the absolutely worst thing you can eat is ultra processed food, so why are we encouraging it?
Between 2030 and 2050 meat will be luxury. Meal worms will be the norm and insects will be snacks like crisps. Or the only meat will be lab meat.
I think lab-grown meat could be a huge positive for mankind and animals.
Grown from cells; which just replicates the natural process. No need to slaughter animals (I am a keen cook and meat lover; but have always been slightly uncomfortable with this) or keep them in cruel conditions. Carbon output massively reduced.
I don't fancy "insect crisps" personally; but we shouldn't snack anyway....
Jo wrote: Wyot wrote: Does anyone seriously now not know you should eat more fruit than deep fried chips?
I suspect that a lot of people's eating habits come from their parents'/guardians' cooking/eating habits when they were growing up. If all you got was fish and chips, pizzas, burgers, ready meals, takeaways, white bread, biscuits, cake, ice-cream, etc.
Yes I agree it can be difficult for people if they have been conditioned in this way. But I suppose my point is it is difficult still if a chemist points out this isn't very healthy and directs people to a website.
I think that we ask ourselves the non-challenging questions as a society so we (Gov, usually) can be seen to be doing something; and avoid all the deeper questions.
This happens across most areas of life. This is just another example. Covid was another.
NZ this morning going into huge restrictions for a few cases. Protecting people. Great! No because you won't escape it anyway; and will harm more people in the process.
NZ should challenge itself with the more difficult question: is a reaction like this proportionate and what, long term, will it achieve? NZ should be mocked for the juvenility of it's response; not admired by those who relish a simple narrative.
Spot on WYOT - as far as over reaction and simplistic laws to protect - as far as food and drink is concerned, my attitude has always been that there is NOTHING wrong with a full English breakfast as long as it's only once a month or so. I don't think processed meat is good for me but I'm happy to eat sausages or bacon once a week or so. I think alcohol is poison but there's no harm in the odd drink (about one small one a day for me though it used to be none; I was allergic to alcohol). Even cigarettes if I wanted them (but could never understand WHY I should fill my lungs with smoke). Or drugs (ditto). Common sense means usually our bodies tell us what is right or wrong.
I think lab-grown meat could be a huge positive for mankind and animals.
Grown from cells; which just replicates the natural process. No need to slaughter animals (I am a keen cook and meat lover; but have always been slightly uncomfortable with this) or keep them in cruel conditions. Carbon output massively reduced.
I don't fancy "insect crisps" personally; but we shouldn't snack anyway....
You first Wyot.
Jim Acosta from CNN once ate human brain, I am not sure if it made him even more loopy.
Chuck Brodsky sums it up.
They call it chicken, and what do I know?
Who’s to say it isn’t so?
Over on Madison Avenue
They call it chicken and it might be true
They call it chicken, it grows in a dish
Tweak it a little, you could call it fish
Try telling that to the man on the street
How all they’re growing is the chicken meat
CHORUS
They call it chicken but it’s not a bird
Tastes just like chicken, that’s what I heard
I’m not so sure it’s gonna fly
I’d be too chicken to give it a try
They call it chicken but it doesn’t cluck
It’s got no feathers that you need to pluck
It’s got no neck, it’s got no wings
No beak, no bones, none of those things
From chicken eggs it doesn’t hatch
It doesn’t peck, it doesn’t scratch
It doesn’t require a chicken coop
Or someone to clean out chicken poop
CHORUS
They call it chicken but it’s not a bird
Tastes just like chicken, that’s what I heard
But I can’t confirm and I can’t deny
I’d be too chicken to give it a try
They call it chicken, and it might be…
One day maybe it’ll grow on a tree
They’ll have to hire a chicken picking crew
Until they figure out how to replace them too
They call it chicken but the foxes hate it
The roosters, they’re just real frustrated
You can call it chicken, the law’s with you
But it doesn’t have sex like chickens do
CHORUS
They call it chicken but it’s not a bird
Tastes just like chicken, that’s what I heard
You can barbecue it on the 4th of July
But I’d be too chicken to give it a try
I think lab-grown meat could be a huge positive for mankind and animals.
Grown from cells; which just replicates the natural process. No need to slaughter animals (I am a keen cook and meat lover; but have always been slightly uncomfortable with this) or keep them in cruel conditions. Carbon output massively reduced.
I don't fancy "insect crisps" personally; but we shouldn't snack anyway....
You first Wyot.
Jim Acosta from CNN once ate human brain, I am not sure if it made him even more loopy.
Chuck Brodsky sums it up.
They call it chicken, and what do I know?
Who’s to say it isn’t so?
Over on Madison Avenue
They call it chicken and it might be true
They call it chicken, it grows in a dish
Tweak it a little, you could call it fish
Try telling that to the man on the street
How all they’re growing is the chicken meat
CHORUS
They call it chicken but it’s not a bird
Tastes just like chicken, that’s what I heard
I’m not so sure it’s gonna fly
I’d be too chicken to give it a try
They call it chicken but it doesn’t cluck
It’s got no feathers that you need to pluck
It’s got no neck, it’s got no wings
No beak, no bones, none of those things
From chicken eggs it doesn’t hatch
It doesn’t peck, it doesn’t scratch
It doesn’t require a chicken coop
Or someone to clean out chicken poop
CHORUS
They call it chicken but it’s not a bird
Tastes just like chicken, that’s what I heard
But I can’t confirm and I can’t deny
I’d be too chicken to give it a try
They call it chicken, and it might be…
One day maybe it’ll grow on a tree
They’ll have to hire a chicken picking crew
Until they figure out how to replace them too
They call it chicken but the foxes hate it
The roosters, they’re just real frustrated
You can call it chicken, the law’s with you
But it doesn’t have sex like chickens do
CHORUS
They call it chicken but it’s not a bird
Tastes just like chicken, that’s what I heard
You can barbecue it on the 4th of July
But I’d be too chicken to give it a try
"Petri Dish Bird" (Wyot 2022)
She moves like a farmyard femme fatale
Stroked across my plate under white wine sauce
My giblets start shaking
And it's only the first course...
CHORUS
It tastes like chicken so I have heard So give me more of that petri-dish bird!
Covered in cream with sweetcorn on top
Asparagus tips rise from a garlic mist
My fowlest dreams realised
But is she a bird...?
CHORUS
It tastes like chicken so I have heard
So give me more of that petri-dish bird!
I think lab-grown meat could be a huge positive for mankind and animals.
Grown from cells; which just replicates the natural process. No need to slaughter animals (I am a keen cook and meat lover; but have always been slightly uncomfortable with this) or keep them in cruel conditions. Carbon output massively reduced.
I don't fancy "insect crisps" personally; but we shouldn't snack anyway....
You first Wyot.
Jim Acosta from CNN once ate human brain, I am not sure if it made him even more loopy.
Chuck Brodsky sums it up.
They call it chicken, and what do I know?
Who’s to say it isn’t so?
Over on Madison Avenue
They call it chicken and it might be true
They call it chicken, it grows in a dish
Tweak it a little, you could call it fish
Try telling that to the man on the street
How all they’re growing is the chicken meat
CHORUS
They call it chicken but it’s not a bird
Tastes just like chicken, that’s what I heard
I’m not so sure it’s gonna fly
I’d be too chicken to give it a try
They call it chicken but it doesn’t cluck
It’s got no feathers that you need to pluck
It’s got no neck, it’s got no wings
No beak, no bones, none of those things
From chicken eggs it doesn’t hatch
It doesn’t peck, it doesn’t scratch
It doesn’t require a chicken coop
Or someone to clean out chicken poop
CHORUS
They call it chicken but it’s not a bird
Tastes just like chicken, that’s what I heard
But I can’t confirm and I can’t deny
I’d be too chicken to give it a try
They call it chicken, and it might be…
One day maybe it’ll grow on a tree
They’ll have to hire a chicken picking crew
Until they figure out how to replace them too
They call it chicken but the foxes hate it
The roosters, they’re just real frustrated
You can call it chicken, the law’s with you
But it doesn’t have sex like chickens do
CHORUS
They call it chicken but it’s not a bird
Tastes just like chicken, that’s what I heard
You can barbecue it on the 4th of July
But I’d be too chicken to give it a try
"Petri Dish Bird" (Wyot 2022)
She moves like a farmyard femme fatale
Stroked across my plate under white wine sauce
My giblets start shaking
And it's only the first course...
CHORUS
It tastes like chicken so I have heard So give me more of that petri-dish bird!
Covered in cream with sweetcorn on top
Asparagus tips rise from a garlic mist
My fowlest dreams realised
But is she a bird...?
CHORUS
It tastes like chicken so I have heard
So give me more of that petri-dish bird!
I think lab-grown meat could be a huge positive for mankind and animals.
Grown from cells; which just replicates the natural process. No need to slaughter animals (I am a keen cook and meat lover; but have always been slightly uncomfortable with this) or keep them in cruel conditions. Carbon output massively reduced.
I don't fancy "insect crisps" personally; but we shouldn't snack anyway....
You first Wyot.
Jim Acosta from CNN once ate human brain, I am not sure if it made him even more loopy.
Chuck Brodsky sums it up.
They call it chicken, and what do I know?
Who’s to say it isn’t so?
Over on Madison Avenue
They call it chicken and it might be true
They call it chicken, it grows in a dish
Tweak it a little, you could call it fish
Try telling that to the man on the street
How all they’re growing is the chicken meat
CHORUS
They call it chicken but it’s not a bird
Tastes just like chicken, that’s what I heard
I’m not so sure it’s gonna fly
I’d be too chicken to give it a try
They call it chicken but it doesn’t cluck
It’s got no feathers that you need to pluck
It’s got no neck, it’s got no wings
No beak, no bones, none of those things
From chicken eggs it doesn’t hatch
It doesn’t peck, it doesn’t scratch
It doesn’t require a chicken coop
Or someone to clean out chicken poop
CHORUS
They call it chicken but it’s not a bird
Tastes just like chicken, that’s what I heard
But I can’t confirm and I can’t deny
I’d be too chicken to give it a try
They call it chicken, and it might be…
One day maybe it’ll grow on a tree
They’ll have to hire a chicken picking crew
Until they figure out how to replace them too
They call it chicken but the foxes hate it
The roosters, they’re just real frustrated
You can call it chicken, the law’s with you
But it doesn’t have sex like chickens do
CHORUS
They call it chicken but it’s not a bird
Tastes just like chicken, that’s what I heard
You can barbecue it on the 4th of July
But I’d be too chicken to give it a try
"Petri Dish Bird" (Wyot 2022)
She moves like a farmyard femme fatale
Stroked across my plate under white wine sauce
My giblets start shaking
And it's only the first course...
CHORUS
It tastes like chicken so I have heard So give me more of that petri-dish bird!
Covered in cream with sweetcorn on top
Asparagus tips rise from a garlic mist
My fowlest dreams realised
But is she a bird...?
CHORUS
It tastes like chicken so I have heard
So give me more of that petri-dish bird!
Who said satire is dead ?
However I don't buy processed or lab grown stuff.
Did eat the fungi you grew in science back in school that you grew in a Petri dish ? No, so why do it with it food ?
I wish someone could muzzle up Blair and his cronies. He should of been arrested for war crimes but his lawyer wife knows the right people and so does he. (A Bilderberg and WEF member)
The more I see Blair the less human he actually looks eyes are a window to the soul but it's clear the man does not have one.
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