very interesting development with Lady Hervey (met her uncle once in the street in Sydney..he got deported a fortnight later)...claiming the photo is a fake.

I wouldn't know but I have the feeling there is straegy being played here.

Oddly she mentions they are "not Andrew's hands" in the pic.

From the first that photo has worried me..it just seemed odd Andrew would pose in that way with any one and..I found something odd about his hands. They just don't seem right. And his arm seems to extend just a little too far..

Has always looked a bit odd to me too but don't know if I'm imagining it! I find it hard to believe though that if this is the case Andy's team hasn't rolled out one professional to question it...

I don't really agree on the photo; as a minor celebrity these equivalents of selfies were taken at the rate of about three a day. There must be literally thousands of similar ones knocking around. "Arm round waist; silly grin (identical on all selfie type fan snaps)". These were the days - post Polaroid; pre Smart Phones.

JK2006 wrote:
I don't really agree on the photo; as a minor celebrity these equivalents of selfies were taken at the rate of about three a day. There must be literally thousands of similar ones knocking around. "Arm round waist; silly grin (identical on all selfie type fan snaps)". These were the days - post Polaroid; pre Smart Phones.

Yes it is probably the technology at the time that makes the picture look "odd". That and the fact that you can't go a day without seeing it. If you stare at anything long enough it looks a bit strange.....

JK2006 wrote:
I don't really agree on the photo; as a minor celebrity these equivalents of selfies were taken at the rate of about three a day. There must be literally thousands of similar ones knocking around. "Arm round waist; silly grin (identical on all selfie type fan snaps)". These were the days - post Polaroid; pre Smart Phones.

true and in these days of the selfies a star could be snapped with Jack The Ripper and never know.

But I just cannot think of any other Royal who has allowed themselves to be photographed with "hands on" like that. Not one. And it seems the only one of Andrew except when he was with Koo Stark..but he was with her..girlfriend boyfriend.

Can anyone point to a photo of a Royal so hands on?

## In his interview Andrew said he could not recall the photo or even meeting her..and yet the snap was in a small mews house with just 4 people.



(not Fergie's toe sucking..doesn't count..but in fcat that's another reason I cannot see Andrew being so handsy with a ..hooker. )

Prince Andrew's ex Lady Victoria Hervey claims infamous image of Duke with Virginia Giuffre was FAKED using photo of accuser in the same clothes taken at Naomi Campbell's birthday months later and a body double who dated another Epstein victim

Lady Victoria Hervey's story sounds a bit far-fetched to me, including the bit about Epstein wanting to bring down the monarchy and other abusers (I doubt there were any) paying off Giuffre. If Giuffre and Maria Farmer created the photo with photoshop, they've surely done an impeccable job (and would presumably have also had to print it on photographic paper, with Giuffre putting it in an envelope with other photos, if it was from there that she produced it for the Mail on Sunday journalist in 2011). But it is intriguing if Hervey has been in contact with other Epstein accusers who say that they saw the photo being created and that Giuffre has bullied them into silence. And it is a bit odd to see Andrew being so hands-on. (They also seem to be dressed more for summer than March in the UK (13 degrees in London in mid-March 2001 according to forecast below), especially if Ghislaine Maxwell was wearing a more covering knitted top in St Tropez in May.) If it's true that the original photo is with the FBI, as Giuffre has apparently claimed, it seems unlikely that Andrew's team will ever get the opportunity to establish if it's genuine or not. Pity that Maxwell's side of the story can't be heard.

Devil's advocate: if Ghislaine Maxwell thought a knitted top was stylish enough for Naomi Campbell's birthday party, maybe she thought a similar knitted top met Tramp's "please dress with style, flair and to impress" recommendations and maybe Andrew is more hands-on in private for what he thinks is a private photo than when he can be snapped in public.

Compare the hand that is wrapped around the waist (fingers of the right and left hands should be about the same length) with Prince Andrew’s hand as shown in the Central Park photo.

www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019...?strip=all&w=960

i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article490...-Jeffrey-Epstein.jpg

Am I alone in thinking that it’s very odd or very unusual to see an index finger that’s longer than the middle finger?

Am I alone in thinking that it’s very odd or very unusual to see an index finger that’s longer than the middle finger?

I have seen people with strange fingers and toes. In the pubs I used to work there were a few customers who had odd fingers. When the women came in the pubs in sandals you could see oddly shaped and disjointed toes or even toes in wrong order.

I have noticed with people (mainly women) who have small hands tend to have fingers the same size.

md wrote:
Compare the hand that is wrapped around the waist (fingers of the right and left hands should be about the same length) with Prince Andrew’s hand as shown in the Central Park photo.

www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019...?strip=all&w=960

i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article490...-Jeffrey-Epstein.jpg

Am I alone in thinking that it’s very odd or very unusual to see an index finger that’s longer than the middle finger?

this was a point Mizz Hervey made..not Andrew's hands. And I think she might know..re my belief royals have plenty of upper class gels for a leg over

didn't she say it was Guiffre who wanted to "bring down the royals" via Andrew, not Epstein.

If the FBI refused to hand over the photo for a court case it could well work in Andrew's favour and influence a jury.

Recall Guiffre didn't even know who Alan Dershowitz was when she was liasing with a journalist who encouraged her to put famous names in the book Guiffre was writing. She put his name forward at the last moment...and never mentioned Andrew to anyone when negotiating her book deal.

Of course I'm only theorizing here but did Guiffre & pals create a photo of her with Andrew for the book?. A "photo" that would never be questioned (certainly not by Andrew) to add glamour and big names to her tale.

Not unlike my friend who was once the editor of the Sunday People when I sent a gal pal who had a few flings with some gents but he responded "the names aren't big enough.. can't she say she f*cked a pop star, footballer or politician?"

Or actress Shelley Winters who said an actress pal rang her up and said she was writing her autobiog but hadn't slept with enough movie stars and Shelley said "just say you screwed any star who is either gay or dead..neither will care" .

I don't think that is the exact same top in both photos, as Victoria Hervey claims. One is shorter than the other. Unless she shrank? She has also thickened remarkably around the waist between the photos, so they cant have been taken on the same day.

Green Man wrote:
Am I alone in thinking that it’s very odd or very unusual to see an index finger that’s longer than the middle finger?

I have seen people with strange fingers and toes. In the pubs I used to work there were a few customers who had odd fingers. When the women came in the pubs in sandals you could see oddly shaped and disjointed toes or even toes in wrong order.

I have noticed with people (mainly women) who have small hands tend to have fingers the same size.

Are you mixing them up with hamsters?

hedda wrote:
[quote]md wrote:


re my belief royals have plenty of upper class gels for a leg over

I had to read this line three times before I realised that by "gels" you didn't mean lubricants...

I find the length of the index finger particularly intriguing. Perhaps I'm using the wrong search terms but I haven't come across any other photos showing an index finger longer than the middle finger.

It’s also interesting what one scientific study reveals about index finger lengths:

www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0191886983900612

md wrote:
I find the length of the index finger particularly intriguing. Perhaps I'm using the wrong search terms but I haven't come across any other photos showing an index finger longer than the middle finger.

It’s also interesting what one scientific study reveals about index finger lengths:

www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0191886983900612

Yes, my index finger is shorter than my ring finger, and I had never noticed that it was different to anybody else's until someone pointed out that I had the bossy gene.

hedda wrote:
didn't she say it was Guiffre who wanted to "bring down the royals" via Andrew, not Epstein.
Both, according to the article.

..."'I know this sounds pretty wild – Epstein told one survivor that he basically wanted to bring down the monarchy,' she said." ...

She said: 'Another girl sent [me] this: "I'm the one that saw Virginia had the photo of Andrew photoshopped by Maria.

'They were conspiring to bring the monarchy down using Andrew."...

Honey wrote:
md wrote:
I find the length of the index finger particularly intriguing. Perhaps I'm using the wrong search terms but I haven't come across any other photos showing an index finger longer than the middle finger.

It’s also interesting what one scientific study reveals about index finger lengths:

www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0191886983900612

Yes, my index finger is shorter than my ring finger, and I had never noticed that it was different to anybody else's until someone pointed out that I had the bossy gene.

Bossy Scouser. Never!