I seem to be alone on this as virtually everyone appears against them. But I hate seeing the media unite because a "good story" tries to destroy people. They have done nothing wrong that I've seen. King Charles seems on their side. I simply do not believe William holds any negative thoughts towards them. Good luck to them.

Here we go and I bet it's far less controversial than predicted.

You don't think it is wrong to pay people to (illegally) silence everyone who criticises you?

Nothing wrong with making revolting false accusations against your family?

Nothing wrong in openly blackmailing them?

Nothing wrong in faking newspaper headlines?

Nothing wrong in organised and paid for "hits" (as they put it) on both The Queen and one of her aides days apart?

You actually believe the late Queen prevented Archie from being a prince because of his (imaginary) colour? Even though you can look at the official documents showing that this was decided long before the Sussex's had met each other?


Can you explain exactly HOW they have been "fighting structural racism" in the royal family, or where the evidence of any of them apart from Harry himself (several times) being racist is?

And, as you happily believe their false accusations, could you explain why Harry (in his own words) wanted to be half in and half out of his duties?

He "knew" they were racist but wanted to carry on working with the racists until they told him no!!!
He cant have minded it very much then, can he? Hardly FIGHTING racism, is it?

I see a lot of inflation and exaggeration - mainly media hyped - and very little real nastiness Honey.

It seems in the first three shows the main moan is about the media. Could they have a point?

I think whatever the media exagerrations (inevitable) the self-pitiying and self-serving whinging of the pair - direct quotations, statements and interviews - has become unbearable; and unbearably boring.

I disagree with people who get irritated that such a wealthy couple are complaining (it is only those who foolishly imagine there is any necessary link between money and happiness who say this) about life.

They have as much right as anyone to whinge. But would be best advised to exercise the caution we all should when doing so: it is an ugly trait that alienates.

No. I find it offensive that they feel the need to do it so publically, using the very media they complain about - and complain is so toxic.

Why try to cure a snake bite by dangling the offending reptile around your neck?

But this is the point: they are not trying to cure anything, either by healing or destroying. They are not trying to communicate with their family at all.

They are only communicating to US. That they are the good guys, and their family the bad guys.

For whatever reasons only they can know; but it will only bring them unhappiness.

JK2006 wrote:
It seems in the first three shows the main moan is about the media. Could they have a point?

We all know that the media is a pain in the arse, and that most lies have a bit of truth in them, but there is such a lot of unnecessary deception.

All the footage of them being mobbed was either filmed abroad or from events many years ago that neither attended.

There is no footage of them being mobbed by British media because it simply hasn't happened to them.
The rules were tightened up some time ago.

He is telling the truth about his fear of crowds of photographers though. It might be all in his mind, but it is real to him.
You can see his discomfort in the footage of him arriving for his treason award the other day, when he shoved his umbrella in a reporter's face, and was calmed by his security.

You see Honey; I don't think a bit of trickery to get the point across is a bad thing. It's naughty, clever, wrong yet right. If either of them actually accused the late Queen or a family member of anything bad, I'd turn against them. But when the worst thing you can say is someone didn't want you to hug them, probably true but quite explainable on both sides, I consider it a minor misunderstanding like - an area I know more of - someone kissing someone or fondling them being called Attempted Rape.

I'm sorry I just cannot accept blatant media exaggeration and inflation being swallowed by people who do not want to think in any depth.

I know nothing about either of them and very little about the Royal Family but I certainly do not believe either side is doing anything more than trying to cope with normal family life under very difficult circumstances.

The argument "they want privacy so why are the using media?" confuses me. Just like the "you say you feel for the homeless; why don't you let some live with you?". Why must one discount the other? Both the Sussexes are entitled to hold opinions which do not conflict - hating the way media behaves at times doesn't mean you hate it at all times. I often cringe at the Mail but it's the only paper that also dares to support unpopular causes, for example.

JK2006 wrote:
The argument "they want privacy so why are the using media?"

I think when people ask this question they don't literally mean it - they are highlighting that they say they want privacy when everything else communicates that they do not.

They clearly want to be the centre of attention; and public attention. It is the smell of lying people are reacting to.

For similar reasons people also actually do not believe they are trying to fight racism by using media. They believe they are trying to further their "brand", rather than a good cause.

Perhaps people are too cynical. But I understand why they are - as Honey and others breakdown in detail their statements appear inconsistent, hyperbolic and needlessly unpleasant.

If they are misunderstood, they need new advisors quickly!

Oh I think they need new advisors immediately but when they unwisely decided to sue the media and even more unwisely won, they were destined to fail whatever they did. Except they haven't actually failed; they have made a fortune (good for them) and can afford total privacy apart from the few minutes of benefitting from celebrity (always useful when booking a restaurant table).

In the real world, they have won, hands down. In media world (and those who believe the media) it's a disaster.

JK2006 wrote:


In the real world, they have won, hands down. In media world (and those who believe the media) it's a disaster.

I think that most people understand that H & M are playing a game with the media and personally winning, but at the same time playing the victim.

Doesn't go down well.

I think you are assuming that most people come to dislike them only because they believe the media, rather than many seeing it for just what it is all about - and deciding that they have had enough of them....

JK2006 wrote:
It seems in the first three shows the main moan is about the media. Could they have a point?

I envisage tabloid writers (Daily Mail) practically frothing at the mouth..the hatred is intense and I reckon the royal family don't give 2 hoots.

so many "insiders" and their made-up quotes (Sid and Doris Boggs)

Very interesting stuff from Adrian Allen.

At the very least, the new Netflix episodes raise some interesting questions about how new entrants are treated by our Royal Family. We already had an inkling with the Diana saga.