I wonder how many of those striking and those moaning about the strikers, gave any consideration to the inevitable economic impact of lockdowns?

And if they did, how many studied "the science" (as best they can) on the efficacy of the measures in the first place? We could never afford to do what we did. And did no better in reducing deaths of the vulnerable than countries who did not panic.

Now, I fear we are moving to a long standing and wide spread stand-off.

There is no money to give the public sector inflation-observant wage increases, or anywhere near. Unless we change the entire power balance and structure of society: in effect, unless there is Revolution.

My predictions is we are in for some of the worst, most widespread and damaging industrial action in our history. And so, even steeper economic decline. In the long run, contributing ("dying with") to far more deaths than Covid ever would have.

Wyot wrote:
I wonder how many of those striking and those moaning about the strikers, gave any consideration to the inevitable economic impact of lockdowns?

And if they did, how many studied "the science" (as best they can) on the efficacy of the measures in the first place? We could never afford to do what we did. And did no better in reducing deaths of the vulnerable than countries who did not panic.

Now, I fear we are moving to a long standing and wide spread stand-off.

There is no money to give the public sector inflation-observant wage increases, or anywhere near. Unless we change the entire power balance and structure of society: in effect, unless there is Revolution.

My predictions is we are in for some of the worst, most widespread and damaging industrial action in our history. And so, even steeper economic decline. In the long run, contributing ("dying with") to far more deaths than Covid ever would have.

Sack the lot of them. The country is flat broke and the government is doing money laundering in Ukraine.

If train prices go up more, people will then look for jobs closer to home or move. Teachers are fucking useless and nurses will either cure or kill you or kill your offspring.

It's about the dinghy immigrants are trained up to work on the railways or farm hands.

Trains will be automated in the years to come.

Green Man wrote:
Wyot wrote:
I wonder how many of those striking and those moaning about the strikers, gave any consideration to the inevitable economic impact of lockdowns?

And if they did, how many studied "the science" (as best they can) on the efficacy of the measures in the first place? We could never afford to do what we did. And did no better in reducing deaths of the vulnerable than countries who did not panic.

Now, I fear we are moving to a long standing and wide spread stand-off.

There is no money to give the public sector inflation-observant wage increases, or anywhere near. Unless we change the entire power balance and structure of society: in effect, unless there is Revolution.

My predictions is we are in for some of the worst, most widespread and damaging industrial action in our history. And so, even steeper economic decline. In the long run, contributing ("dying with") to far more deaths than Covid ever would have.

Sack the lot of them.


Or pay nurses and teachers a living wage in the South East in particular...

I know regionally differential pay for professions is politically toxic, but the above receive around £14k less in real terms (on the same wage) in London & Surrey as a nurse or teacher would in Liverpool or Hull...

Green Man wrote:
Wyot wrote:
I wonder how many of those striking and those moaning about the strikers, gave any consideration to the inevitable economic impact of lockdowns?

And if they did, how many studied "the science" (as best they can) on the efficacy of the measures in the first place? We could never afford to do what we did. And did no better in reducing deaths of the vulnerable than countries who did not panic.

Now, I fear we are moving to a long standing and wide spread stand-off.

There is no money to give the public sector inflation-observant wage increases, or anywhere near. Unless we change the entire power balance and structure of society: in effect, unless there is Revolution.

My predictions is we are in for some of the worst, most widespread and damaging industrial action in our history. And so, even steeper economic decline. In the long run, contributing ("dying with") to far more deaths than Covid ever would have.

Sack the lot of them. The country is flat broke and the government is doing money laundering in Ukraine.

If train prices go up more, people will then look for jobs closer to home or move. Teachers are fucking useless and nurses will either cure or kill you or kill your offspring.

It's about the dinghy immigrants are trained up to work on the railways or farm hands.

Trains will be automated in the years to come.

If you sack the lot of them then there will be no trains for months or years, because they would have to find and train new staff. The migrants from small boats mainly want to disappear into the black market of cannabis farms/drug dealing make a fast buck for a year or two then go back. Maybe we could get people like you wyot trained up as a railway worker, if you think it is so easy. The train drivers aren't on strike, it is the other rail workers who are necessary to make the railways work. Maybe we should stop getting involved in this stupid war. These sanctions are hurting us more than the Russians, who are having a net gain due to the rise in oil prices.

Wyot wrote:
Green Man wrote:
Wyot wrote:
I wonder how many of those striking and those moaning about the strikers, gave any consideration to the inevitable economic impact of lockdowns?

And if they did, how many studied "the science" (as best they can) on the efficacy of the measures in the first place? We could never afford to do what we did. And did no better in reducing deaths of the vulnerable than countries who did not panic.

Now, I fear we are moving to a long standing and wide spread stand-off.

There is no money to give the public sector inflation-observant wage increases, or anywhere near. Unless we change the entire power balance and structure of society: in effect, unless there is Revolution.

My predictions is we are in for some of the worst, most widespread and damaging industrial action in our history. And so, even steeper economic decline. In the long run, contributing ("dying with") to far more deaths than Covid ever would have.

Sack the lot of them.


Or pay nurses and teachers a living wage in the South East in particular...

I know regionally differential pay for professions is politically toxic, but the above receive around £14k less in real terms (on the same wage) in London & Surrey as a nurse or teacher would in Liverpool or Hull...

What's a living wage? They knew the salary when they did the application and training.

If they want a better paid job leave the profession then or move abroad where tax rates are different.

The government spend millions every weeks on hotels and pocket money for the immigrants they came here with help from Border Force. However it was time the immigrants trained to do something and pay their way.

They do say drug dealers are the best maths teachers.

No one will know Border Force are strike lets be honest.


I had shut down my business in lockdown. I got no help from the government despite applying. I had sack my staff. My customers had close (hospitality).


A restaurant where I used to sell and deliver wine to is now teeny tiny flats. At least the owner is guaranteed money.

Green Man wrote:
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What's a living wage? They knew the salary when they did the application and training.

If they want a better paid job leave the profession then or move abroad where tax rates are different.



Yes but even children in Surrey need an education, and everyone health care.

Additionally, it is not unreasonable to expect an initial salary to actually rise over time in step with the cost of living rather than keep decreasing in real terms for over a decade now.

I understand that most people in the private sector tend to expect this sort of thing too GM!

Wyot wrote:
[quote]Green Man wrote:
[quote]Wyot wrote:
[quote]Green Man wrote:
Wyot wrote:


What's a living wage? They knew the salary when they did the application and training.

If they want a better paid job leave the profession then or move abroad where tax rates are different.



Yes but even children in Surrey need an education, and everyone health care.

Additionally, it is not unreasonable to expect an initial salary to actually rise over time in step with the cost of living rather than keep decreasing in real terms for over a decade now.

I understand that most people in the private sector tend to expect this sort of thing too GM!


Teachers will either teach your useless information like being woke or they diddle them.


Please note to fund teachers and nurses pay rises our taxes goes up. I don't see why I should pay for teachers.

I must admit it's been nice not getting junk mail since postal strike.

Wyot wrote:
[quote]Green Man wrote:
[quote]Wyot wrote:
[quote]Green Man wrote:
Wyot wrote:


What's a living wage? They knew the salary when they did the application and training.

If they want a better paid job leave the profession then or move abroad where tax rates are different.



Yes but even children in Surrey need an education, and everyone health care.

Additionally, it is not unreasonable to expect an initial salary to actually rise over time in step with the cost of living rather than keep decreasing in real terms for over a decade now.

I understand that most people in the private sector tend to expect this sort of thing too GM!

The railways are in the private sector.

robbiex wrote:
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The railways are in the private sector.

Yes I know Robbie...

robbiex wrote:
[quote]Wyot wrote:
[quote]Green Man wrote:
[quote]Wyot wrote:
Green Man wrote:
Wyot wrote:


What's a living wage? They knew the salary when they did the application and training.

If they want a better paid job leave the profession then or move abroad where tax rates are different.



Yes but even children in Surrey need an education, and everyone health care.

Additionally, it is not unreasonable to expect an initial salary to actually rise over time in step with the cost of living rather than keep decreasing in real terms for over a decade now.

I understand that most people in the private sector tend to expect this sort of thing too GM!

The railways are in the private sector.

Not for much longer. Being a former business man, everyone has their price, the rail companies will probably bankrupt themselves.

People can and will only pay so much for train tickets, it's cheaper to fly to USA than get a single ticket from the South West to the North depending on ticket.

Commuters will look for a new home that's closer to work or find a new job closer to home.

If only these teachers cared about kids education during lockdown. They were probably enjoying the time off.

My advice to teacher's striking is for them to look for a job in another field or move abroad where tax is lower.

I have no idea why we need teacher's at all. Most teacher's have never lived in the real world, they finished university and went back to the classroom and stay if there are not arrested for diddling.

Most kids will grow up to be influencers online or work in AI.

The high street will be flats, charity shops and fronts for money laundering if we are not cashless in 20 years or so. Vaping will be a thing in the past, pot smoking will be in more and more.

Wyot wrote:
Green Man wrote:
Wyot wrote:
I wonder how many of those striking and those moaning about the strikers, gave any consideration to the inevitable economic impact of lockdowns?

And if they did, how many studied "the science" (as best they can) on the efficacy of the measures in the first place? We could never afford to do what we did. And did no better in reducing deaths of the vulnerable than countries who did not panic.

Now, I fear we are moving to a long standing and wide spread stand-off.

There is no money to give the public sector inflation-observant wage increases, or anywhere near. Unless we change the entire power balance and structure of society: in effect, unless there is Revolution.

My predictions is we are in for some of the worst, most widespread and damaging industrial action in our history. And so, even steeper economic decline. In the long run, contributing ("dying with") to far more deaths than Covid ever would have.

Sack the lot of them.


Or pay nurses and teachers a living wage in the South East in particular...

I know regionally differential pay for professions is politically toxic, but the above receive around £14k less in real terms (on the same wage) in London & Surrey as a nurse or teacher would in Liverpool or Hull...

visiting a pal in a Sydney hospital today I noted about 100 nurses in the park opposite n strike and rallying with speeches.

I cheered them on.

hedda wrote:
[quote]Wyot wrote:
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visiting a pal in a Sydney hospital today I noted about 100 nurses in the park opposite n strike and rallying with speeches.

I cheered them on.

The most common and cynical misconception is that nurses and teachers are striking to get more money for themselves. It is argued they are being selfish and harming patients and children.

But the few I know involved are striking because they are chronically understaffed; the starting pay is so relatively poor now that new staff either don't join or leave soon after - because they can't live on it.

Most are actually striking out of long term concern for the welfare of patients and children. If anyone bothered to stop and listen to them they would learn this.

If their services collapse completely the patients and children will suffer far more than as a result of strikes. They are striking out of professional integrity.

The train drivers are, on the other hand, on 60k, a total disgrace. But they are not public sector, of course. The only sector striking out of naked greed and opportunity in the UK currently is the private.

This doesn't mean I think there is an easy solution to funding through tax the demands being made by teachers or nurses.

But I am bored of hearing the easy asides and cynical assumptions about the motives of people who are primarily driven to help and educate others.

We need many more of them and they should be celebrated and deeply respected.

Wyot wrote:
[quote]hedda wrote:
[quote]Wyot wrote:
[quote]Green Man wrote:
Wyot wrote:


visiting a pal in a Sydney hospital today I noted about 100 nurses in the park opposite n strike and rallying with speeches.

I cheered them on.

The most common and cynical misconception is that nurses and teachers are striking to get more money for themselves. It is argued they are being selfish and harming patients and children.

But the few I know involved are striking because they are chronically understaffed; the starting pay is so relatively poor now that new staff either don't join or leave soon after - because they can't live on it.

Most are actually striking out of long term concern for the welfare of patients and children. If anyone bothered to stop and listen to them they would learn this.

If their services collapse completely the patients and children will suffer far more than as a result of strikes. They are striking out of professional integrity.

The train drivers are, on the other hand, on 60k, a total disgrace. But they are not public sector, of course. The only sector striking out of naked greed and opportunity in the UK currently is the private.

This doesn't mean I think there is an easy solution to funding through tax the demands being made by teachers or nurses.

But I am bored of hearing the easy asides and cynical assumptions about the motives of people who are primarily driven to help and educate others.

We need many more of them and they should be celebrated and deeply respected.

Teachers are their to teach not be parent's or guardian's. Teachers left because they bored with the woke theories they had to teach.

Personally I could education secretary and get the right people for the right job. First kids need to know how to clean wood burners and foraging.

The facts and the truth....


www.theguardian.com/business/2022/feb/19...k-pay-growth-reports

Wyot wrote:
[quote]hedda wrote:
[quote]Wyot wrote:
[quote]Green Man wrote:
Wyot wrote:


visiting a pal in a Sydney hospital today I noted about 100 nurses in the park opposite n strike and rallying with speeches.

I cheered them on.

The most common and cynical misconception is that nurses and teachers are striking to get more money for themselves. It is argued they are being selfish and harming patients and children.

But the few I know involved are striking because they are chronically understaffed; the starting pay is so relatively poor now that new staff either don't join or leave soon after - because they can't live on it.

Most are actually striking out of long term concern for the welfare of patients and children. If anyone bothered to stop and listen to them they would learn this.

If their services collapse completely the patients and children will suffer far more than as a result of strikes. They are striking out of professional integrity.

The train drivers are, on the other hand, on 60k, a total disgrace. But they are not public sector, of course. The only sector striking out of naked greed and opportunity in the UK currently is the private.

This doesn't mean I think there is an easy solution to funding through tax the demands being made by teachers or nurses.

But I am bored of hearing the easy asides and cynical assumptions about the motives of people who are primarily driven to help and educate others.

We need many more of them and they should be celebrated and deeply respected.

Apart from teaching kid's how to be gay and CRT what do teacher's actually do?

Green Man wrote:
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Apart from teaching kid's how to be gay and CRT what do teacher's actually do?

Teach children how to read, write, add up; teach history, science, geography, biology, sport etc. Facilitate an environment where they can learn social and inter personal boundaries and grow as human beings. Identify children from abusive or neglectful backgrounds and work with the authorities to safeguard them. I could go on GM!

Sadly a lot of that work has become aspirational in the light of the continuing cuts in the education budgets.

Education - like the NHS and policin - are going through a difficult period, with classes growing and standards dropping.

All because of the enormous spending recently to combat covid etc. - and the country's inability to balance its books, for decades.

Wyot wrote:
[quote]Green Man wrote:
[quote]Wyot wrote:
[quote]hedda wrote:
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Wyot wrote:


Apart from teaching kid's how to be gay and CRT what do teacher's actually do?

Teach children how to read, write, add up; teach history, science, geography, biology, sport etc. Facilitate an environment where they can learn social and inter personal boundaries and grow as human beings. Identify children from abusive or neglectful backgrounds and work with the authorities to safeguard them. I could go on GM!


The history on how bad the white man is? Maths is racist now according to teacher's and science.

Funny how teachers are obsessed with athletics but not your outdoor sports like shooting, sailing, kayaking and fishing. The usual kicking a ball around or putting them in hoops.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9717063...ts-right-answer.html

Combat Covid?! You mean the common cold and crooked MPs giving away our cash to their friends and family? All whilst we had close our businesses and lay off staff! Not everyone got furlough (dole) Barney. Are you retarded (French meaning)?


www.theguardian.com/stage/2023/feb/03/pl...tages-cost-of-living

Maybe if theatres gave us refunds during the plandemic and not credit notes then we might of use the theatres more.

Also people are voting with their wallets to see plays, the theatres are not a cheap evening out for a lot of people. I remember when tickets were £30 to see big names now its anything between £60 to £120 depending on venue. Then there is additional spending on travel and hospitality. It all adds up.

If the plays are political correct woke shite then your target market has watched it. Its niche.