Well the one consolation is that I won't have to worry who to support in the semi. Go Morocco - go all the way and I bet everyone in the UK feels the same.

I don't mind now. They are all worthy winners. Croatia, France, Morrocco, and Argentina would all be worthy winners. I don't want to replace the image of Bobby Moore collecting the world cup with that muppet Harry Kane.

Looking at the highlights. England barely had a chance to score, other than from the penalty spot. England were undone by 36-year-old Giroud from a header. The second penalty that Kane got, was stupid, the french defender pushed down the England player when the ball was The pundits were all saying that they were the better team, they were deluding themselves, like gb news saying that they are not biased. Whoever wins from now on is a deserved winner

I thought France were clearly the better team on the night. If England had played as well as they did in the first game we'd have beaten them.

We have always had a problem thinking we are better than we are. We are a decent side (at times) but not top of the pile. It has been an OK tournament for us. Now love to see Morocco in the final and Messi lift the World Cup.

Interesting that none of the media predictions about behaviour and culture clashes has come about...

On a detail - anyone got any idea what possessed Southgate to take Saka off? He was far and out the player causing France the most problems?

Was it a case of following some clever plan set in advance and not watching and responding to what was actually happening on the pitch?

Wyot wrote:
On a detail - anyone got any idea what possessed Southgate to take Saka off? He was far and out the player causing France the most problems?

Was it a case of following some clever plan set in advance and not watching and responding to what was actually happening on the pitch?

I haven't watched one second of the World Cup. However I tell you a pointless story Wyot.

When I owned a pub in the 1990's.
I had to watch the football. (it's a good idea show live sport in a pub)

I had nice monitor in the pub, the monitor had was surrounded with tables and chairs. It was like a little man-cave for blokes in the pub. This was when Rudd Gullit, was manager for Chelsea.

I remember him watching make daft substitutions in the last minute or 30 seconds almost every game he was manager. I remember the Chelsea fans swearing and hollering at his managerial tactics. One man threw beer at the monitor, then I barred him.

It was worse when Glenn Hoddle was manager for me. Chelsea fans were more aggressive to my monitor and pint glasses.


I had never issue when I showed the snooker or some Test cricket. Rugby fans would shake hands with with other rugby fans who supported other teams, they would congratulate one another or buy drinks for the losing fans.

Oh yes I would definitely rather be around drunk rugby or cricket crowds than football. A few fans get so idiotically tribal. But I still love the sport; I separate the two.

Wyot wrote:
Oh yes I would definitely rather be around drunk rugby or cricket crowds than football. A few fans get so idiotically tribal. But I still love the sport; I separate the two.

"A few fans get so idiotically tribal"

Erm...