As the other threads have got too bulky - I have no idea what happened and choose NOT to accept media coverage.
But from my personal experience I know that the media DOES "set up" people and that prisons (and hostels) are full of criminals.
Getting a Vile Pervert sent back to prison is a great story.
Someone legally and acceptably allowed a smart phone (as I suspect most are these days), on release, is NOT a crime, nor a breach of conditions.
Trying to access porn, I suspect, IS a breach.
So did he knowingly try to do that?
I seriously doubt it.
Did someone manage to get it looking as though he did?
I suspect that is what happened.
Which is clearly Attempting to Pervert the Course of Justice.
Deliberately.
That IS a crime.
These days, Using the law to break the law is the way criminals get away with it.
Blackmail is no longer made by cutting up newspapers nor is cash obtained in brown envelopes.
It is now Demanding Money with Menaces - and those menaces are legally justified and supported.
This new world no longer is Innocent Until Proven Guilty.
Media may pretend (with clever wording).
Lawyers may succeed in breaking the law (by using clever legal language).
Ditto police.
And ditto those looking to make a few grand (£5000 I'm told) doing something technically legal.
But try to persuade ordinary people (like us) who believe most of the media unless alerted.
We have neither the time nor the inclination.
"Hey Gary - you need to look at sites that can help you prove you were wrongly convicted".
"Really? What are they called?"
"The Onion".
"How can I access The Onion".
GOTCHA!

JK2006 wrote:
As the other threads have got too bulky - I have no idea what happened and choose NOT to accept media coverage.
But from my personal experience I know that the media DOES "set up" people and that prisons (and hostels) are full of criminals.
Getting a Vile Pervert sent back to prison is a great story.
Someone legally and acceptably allowed a smart phone (as I suspect most are these days), on release, is NOT a crime, nor a breach of conditions.
Trying to access porn, I suspect, IS a breach.
So did he knowingly try to do that?
I seriously doubt it.
Did someone manage to get it looking as though he did?
I suspect that is what happened.
Which is clearly Attempting to Pervert the Course of Justice.
Deliberately.
That IS a crime.
These days, Using the law to break the law is the way criminals get away with it.
Blackmail is no longer made by cutting up newspapers nor is cash obtained in brown envelopes.
It is now Demanding Money with Menaces - and those menaces are legally justified and supported.
This new world no longer is Innocent Until Proven Guilty.
Media may pretend (with clever wording).
Lawyers may succeed in breaking the law (by using clever legal language).
Ditto police.
And ditto those looking to make a few grand (£5000 I'm told) doing something technically legal.
But try to persuade ordinary people (like us) who believe most of the media unless alerted.
We have neither the time nor the inclination.
"Hey Gary - you need to look at sites that can help you prove you were wrongly convicted".
"Really? What are they called?"
"The Onion".
"How can I access The Onion".
GOTCHA!

I love to see the leak footage or the video that The Sun were giving not a still photo of the conversation.


If he was truly set up he needs a bloody good lawyer and sue for libel. Imagine if Glitter sued the papers and won?!

I wouldn't be surprised if his youngest son wanted to see him to cast his own judgement.

He would lose GM and even if he won he'd get £1 (no reputation to lose).
This is what I mean by Using the law to Break the law.
Any tabloid would say they believed the information they got.
And, as a result, it was in public interest to print.
Remember The Sun on Hillsborough?
They claimed (rightly) that they were told stuff by police and they (and we) should believe the police.
Surely they could never lie?

I get the impression that these sites are near impossible to hack?
If so, it would be exactly the sort of thing that someone who is hounded by the press would need, perhaps?

JK2006 wrote:
He would lose GM and even if he won he'd get £1 (no reputation to lose).
This is what I mean by Using the law to Break the law.
Any tabloid would say they believed the information they got.
And, as a result, it was in public interest to print.
Remember The Sun on Hillsborough?
They claimed (rightly) that they were told stuff by police and they (and we) should believe the police.
Surely they could never lie?

I haven't really read much or looked in to Hillsborough even in the last few years to be honest. I was working in America when the tragedy happened.

Anything to do with football really does bore me to tears. I get a lot of weird glares when people ask me 'What team do I support?' my answer always is 'I hate all spectator sports.'

I thought The Sun and Kelvin Kelvin MacKenzie had to pay out eventually, unless it's a false memory of that happening.

A family friend was badly injured nothing too serious at Heysel but survived. He was about to leave the stadium before trouble was brewing, but he was attacked from behind.
He had no idea if it was Liverpool or a Juventus fan. He was a neutral soccer fan.

It might be another reason I hate football people because people can't behave themselves.

Green Man wrote:
JK2006 wrote:
He would lose GM and even if he won he'd get £1 (no reputation to lose).
This is what I mean by Using the law to Break the law.
Any tabloid would say they believed the information they got.
And, as a result, it was in public interest to print.
Remember The Sun on Hillsborough?
They claimed (rightly) that they were told stuff by police and they (and we) should believe the police.
Surely they could never lie?

I haven't really read much or looked in to Hillsborough even in the last few years to be honest. I was working in America when the tragedy happened.

Anything to do with football really does bore me to tears. I get a lot of weird glares when people ask me 'What team do I support?' my answer always is 'I hate all spectator sports.'

I thought The Sun and Kelvin Kelvin MacKenzie had to pay out eventually, unless it's a false memory of that happening.

A family friend was badly injured nothing too serious at Heysel but survived. He was about to leave the stadium before trouble was brewing, but he was attacked from behind.
He had no idea if it was Liverpool or a Juventus fan. He was a neutral soccer fan.

It might be another reason I hate football people because people can't behave themselves.

In a nutshell, the police (after contributing to the deaths) lied to the press, and then the press embellished the lies, causing even deeper harm to already traumatised and distressed people.

It has been well established that the "behaviour" of the football people was NOT a factor.

As you can see, lies stick longer than the truth.

Oh yes well aware of every aspect Honey. I've studied it at length. But sadly many chose only to blame The Sun - my point is (and was then) that police were literally getting away with murder (still are) yet nobody then seemed to notice.

Honey wrote:
Green Man wrote:
JK2006 wrote:
He would lose GM and even if he won he'd get £1 (no reputation to lose).
This is what I mean by Using the law to Break the law.
Any tabloid would say they believed the information they got.
And, as a result, it was in public interest to print.
Remember The Sun on Hillsborough?
They claimed (rightly) that they were told stuff by police and they (and we) should believe the police.
Surely they could never lie?

I haven't really read much or looked in to Hillsborough even in the last few years to be honest. I was working in America when the tragedy happened.

Anything to do with football really does bore me to tears. I get a lot of weird glares when people ask me 'What team do I support?' my answer always is 'I hate all spectator sports.'

I thought The Sun and Kelvin Kelvin MacKenzie had to pay out eventually, unless it's a false memory of that happening.

A family friend was badly injured nothing too serious at Heysel but survived. He was about to leave the stadium before trouble was brewing, but he was attacked from behind.
He had no idea if it was Liverpool or a Juventus fan. He was a neutral soccer fan.

It might be another reason I hate football people because people can't behave themselves.

In a nutshell, the police (after contributing to the deaths) lied to the press, and then the press embellished the lies, causing even deeper harm to already traumatised and distressed people.

It has been well established that the "behaviour" of the football people was NOT a factor.

As you can see, lies stick longer than the truth.

Thank you Honey, I am ignorant on Hillsborough. Could you elaborate how police were responsible on the incident? I know about the lies the police told. Like fans pissing on cops.