If the BBC presenter story teaches us anything, it should be the pitfalls of rushing to judgment.

Oh, like The Guardian have done for decades?

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/j...r-story-tabloids-sun

All the newspapers are only fit for the trash to use as lining for pigeon and rabbit hutches. Online newspapers are becoming harder to read due to all the ads. No wonder nearly all the online papers ask for donations like a beggar on a street.

I haven't seen The Sun since Hillsborough, and probably not much before, but similar tabloids, the ones who have been sharpening their pitchforks all week in drooling anticipation, regularly advertise "Only Fans" through their features where they celebrate Kerry Katona's venture into prostitution or whatever they call it these days.

www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-12...earned-OnlyFans.html

www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-11...omotes-OnlyFans.html

www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/kerr...tting-boobs-30201019

And looking at Google, there are indeed similar articles in The Sun.

Who do they think it is good to offer the service, but bad if you buy it?
Why would all the papers turn on a newsreader at the same time? Is somebody paying them to be ridiculous?

Green Man wrote:
If the BBC presenter story teaches us anything, it should be the pitfalls of rushing to judgment.

Oh, like The Guardian have done for decades?

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/j...r-story-tabloids-sun

All the newspapers are only fit for the trash to use as lining for pigeon and rabbit hutches. Online newspapers are becoming harder to read due to all the ads. No wonder nearly all the online papers ask for donations like a beggar on a street.

Notice that the article is a short 'opinion piece' by an outsider, not a major piece by a staff journalist. The papers don't go after their own, and that's why Murdoch has been allowed to do so much damage and destroy so many lives over the years. And with circulations falling, and revenue drying up, these papers are going to be even less inclined to make their own failings the news of the day.

All newspapers are in decline.

I don't see The Sun in my newsagents when they do holiday giveaways for under a tenner. I found Haven very naff, boring and expensive at the bar. The entertainment is embarrassing and samey.

If Haven goes in Weymouth,then Weymouth is well and truly fucked. No big act books the Weymouth Pavillion unless you want to see tribute acts.

weymouthpavilion.com/upcoming/

Green Man wrote:
All newspapers are in decline.

I don't see The Sun in my newsagents when they do holiday giveaways for under a tenner. I found Haven very naff, boring and expensive at the bar. The entertainment is embarrassing and samey.

If Haven goes in Weymouth,then Weymouth is well and truly fucked. No big act books the Weymouth Pavillion unless you want to see tribute acts.

weymouthpavilion.com/upcoming/

I am at this very moment trying to compose a polite version of "F right off" to someone who keeps very kindly trying to give me those cheap holiday vouchers from The Sun.

Honey wrote:
Green Man wrote:
All newspapers are in decline.

I don't see The Sun in my newsagents when they do holiday giveaways for under a tenner. I found Haven very naff, boring and expensive at the bar. The entertainment is embarrassing and samey.

If Haven goes in Weymouth,then Weymouth is well and truly fucked. No big act books the Weymouth Pavillion unless you want to see tribute acts.

weymouthpavilion.com/upcoming/

I am at this very moment trying to compose a polite version of "F right off" to someone who keeps very kindly trying to give me those cheap holiday vouchers from The Sun.

I have never been giving those vouchers, but I have seen people rummage through skips for The Sun and asking the chip shops for the The Sun for the vouchers.

If people wanted to get a Haven deal without the vouchers, look for online codes. The only 2 things that I like about Weymouth is the nature walks and fishing. The town is dead as a dodo. It's amazing how one county (Dorset) can decline over 5 years.

Green Man wrote:
Honey wrote:
Green Man wrote:
All newspapers are in decline.

I don't see The Sun in my newsagents when they do holiday giveaways for under a tenner. I found Haven very naff, boring and expensive at the bar. The entertainment is embarrassing and samey.

If Haven goes in Weymouth,then Weymouth is well and truly fucked. No big act books the Weymouth Pavillion unless you want to see tribute acts.

weymouthpavilion.com/upcoming/

I am at this very moment trying to compose a polite version of "F right off" to someone who keeps very kindly trying to give me those cheap holiday vouchers from The Sun.

I have never been giving those vouchers, but I have seen people rummage through skips for The Sun and asking the chip shops for the The Sun for the vouchers.

If people wanted to get a Haven deal without the vouchers, look for online codes. The only 2 things that I like about Weymouth is the nature walks and fishing. The town is dead as a dodo. It's amazing how one county (Dorset) can decline over 5 years.

I used to love Weymouth and Portland, and spent a lot of time there, but much of the area has gone to pot, by the look of things.
I daren't even look at Bognor in case it is ruined?

Honey wrote:
Green Man wrote:
Honey wrote:
Green Man wrote:
All newspapers are in decline.

I don't see The Sun in my newsagents when they do holiday giveaways for under a tenner. I found Haven very naff, boring and expensive at the bar. The entertainment is embarrassing and samey.

If Haven goes in Weymouth,then Weymouth is well and truly fucked. No big act books the Weymouth Pavillion unless you want to see tribute acts.

weymouthpavilion.com/upcoming/

I am at this very moment trying to compose a polite version of "F right off" to someone who keeps very kindly trying to give me those cheap holiday vouchers from The Sun.

I have never been giving those vouchers, but I have seen people rummage through skips for The Sun and asking the chip shops for the The Sun for the vouchers.

If people wanted to get a Haven deal without the vouchers, look for online codes. The only 2 things that I like about Weymouth is the nature walks and fishing. The town is dead as a dodo. It's amazing how one county (Dorset) can decline over 5 years.

I used to love Weymouth and Portland, and spent a lot of time there, but much of the area has gone to pot, by the look of things.
I daren't even look at Bognor in case it is ruined?

My partner has many good memories of Weymouth. Sadly, she no longer likes the place, apart from going to see beach. Weymouth public transport is an utter joke, Pretty much the whole of Dorset is now shambolic.

I have never been to Bognor so I can't tell you Honey. Bournemouth is getting is very dodgy now, the Trouvile Hotel where a family was robbed last year closed it's doors for good. So if there is a concert you want to see be wary of the town!

I have asked around, to people I know in Bournemouth about the Trouville.

I have hear 2 two things. The new owners didn't want pay for the upkeep so sold the building off to the local government, to house illegal immigrants.

Other one I have heard, is that the police and health and safety were called out one too many times. And the managerment and owner did a runner over night.

It was a decent a hotel, I used to stay there a fair bit in the past, if I didn't fancy driving home after a concert or I've had one too many.

I guess Karma is a thing.

www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/24123230....ew-forest-past-year/

Rick wrote:
Green Man wrote:
If the BBC presenter story teaches us anything, it should be the pitfalls of rushing to judgment.

Oh, like The Guardian have done for decades?

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/j...r-story-tabloids-sun

All the newspapers are only fit for the trash to use as lining for pigeon and rabbit hutches. Online newspapers are becoming harder to read due to all the ads. No wonder nearly all the online papers ask for donations like a beggar on a street.

Notice that the article is a short 'opinion piece' by an outsider, not a major piece by a staff journalist. The papers don't go after their own, and that's why Murdoch has been allowed to do so much damage and destroy so many lives over the years. And with circulations falling, and revenue drying up, these papers are going to be even less inclined to make their own failings the news of the day.

Is there a lesson to be learned about the Murdoch media after the Australian election?

Disclosure: I worked for a Murdoch publication for about a year and I loved that he not only paid well but always on time.He also told me to "fuck off" once but I didn't take it personally.

Rupert Murdoch's dominating Australian newspapers (about 65% saturation) and his local Sky News network went all out for the local Conservative party as they usually do.

The dominant West Australia newspaper (with no Murdoch publication and owned by a billionaire) did likewise as they usually do.

Those Conservatives were defeated in a landslide. Not only that they have now split as they were a coalition with a country based party. They'll be out of power for at least 10 years.

This is really the first election where Murdoch has not ruled the roost.

His local power is vastly diminished and I reckon he'll now concentrate on new film streaming channels and sports. (well Lachlan Murdoch will as he runs the empire including the US Fox News from a reputed media bunker in his fabulous Sydney mansion).

A pal who works at Fox News in the USA says knees go weak when a call comes through to a worker that they can expect a call from Lachlan at any moment.

Established newspapers are definitely on the decline and their "power" is now reduced to their online presence which is a whole new ballgame as 100s of independent media and news outlets can easily compete online with the established titles.

# At Oxford University Rupert Murdoch was a member of the socialist club.

Rupert's father Sir Keith Murdoch was the official war reporter at the doomed Gallipoli campaign during WW1.

He rightfully questioned why Australia was even there as Turkey had never harmed Australia and wrote reports severely criticizing what he said were the incompetent British Generals who ran the campaign.

Accompanying Sir Keith was a well know immigrant eccentric artist George Washington Lambert who upset the British Generals for wearing exotic plumed hats.

George Washington's son was the well know British composer Constant Lambert and Constant's son was Kit Lambert who discovered and managed / produced The Who and Jimi Hendrix.

Kit Lambert is an interesting figure I love The Who. I think it was idea to have Tommy made in to show and movie. I have watched Tommy several times.

The Who have been trying to wash Lambert out of Who history to some degree. I think he ripped them off. I couldn't finish Pete and Roger autobiographies. Christ, they are very boring musicians, despite being part of rock history. One of the best autobiographies I have read was Adam Faith.

Green Man wrote:
Kit Lambert is an interesting figure I love The Who. I think it was idea to have Tommy made in to show and movie. I have watched Tommy several times.

The Who have been trying to wash Lambert out of Who history to some degree. I think he ripped them off. I couldn't finish Pete and Roger autobiographies. Christ, they are very boring musicians, despite being part of rock history. One of the best autobiographies I have read was Adam Faith.

Both Towshend and Daltrey have acknowledged Lambert's contribution to The Who's success and Townshend says it was Lambert who taught him about other styles of music and most especially, turned him on to opera and hence, the rock opera as in Tommy.

I knew Lambert well and he often crashed at my place. He was nightmarish at times as his drug use was excessive.

The Who really sacked him as he was becoming incompetent due to drug use and irregularities over finances.

Kit made a a shocking mistake by allowing himself to be made a Ward Of The Court to avoid a heroin drug charge as he feared going to jail.

He spent the next 7 years having his money doled out to him by the Official Solicitor at such a low rate he could only afford to live in the cheapest hotels. His life really was miserable but his heroin use didn't help.

When he died after falling down some stairs at his mother's house, his estate was estimated at about 500K pounds from Who royalties.

He was treated so shabbily by the Official Solicitor who sold of his Venice palazzo which he loved along with his Knightsbridge house.

hedda wrote:
Green Man wrote:
Kit Lambert is an interesting figure I love The Who. I think it was idea to have Tommy made in to show and movie. I have watched Tommy several times.

The Who have been trying to wash Lambert out of Who history to some degree. I think he ripped them off. I couldn't finish Pete and Roger autobiographies. Christ, they are very boring musicians, despite being part of rock history. One of the best autobiographies I have read was Adam Faith.

Both Towshend and Daltrey have acknowledged Lambert's contribution to The Who's success and Townshend says it was Lambert who taught him about other styles of music and most especially, turned him on to opera and hence, the rock opera as in Tommy.

I knew Lambert well and he often crashed at my place. He was nightmarish at times as his drug use was excessive.

The Who really sacked him as he was becoming incompetent due to drug use and irregularities over finances.

Kit made a a shocking mistake by allowing himself to be made a Ward Of The Court to avoid a heroin drug charge as he feared going to jail.

He spent the next 7 years having his money doled out to him by the Official Solicitor at such a low rate he could only afford to live in the cheapest hotels. His life really was miserable but his heroin use didn't help.

When he died after falling down some stairs at his mother's house, his estate was estimated at about 500K pounds from Who royalties.

He was treated so shabbily by the Official Solicitor who sold of his Venice palazzo which he loved along with his Knightsbridge house.

Thank you for the info Hedda, I knew Kit was a drug addict but didn't know it was H, I thought it be the usual stuff like Purple Hearts, hash and a bit of coke. H, is very destructive, even to the nearest and dearest.

It's debatable when people say The Who were ripped off, 500k does seem small even in those days for management fees. I was expecting another zero. Keith Moon died with about 10 million in the bank.

How did you know Kit Lambert or The Who in general? I did know a guy who got to see The Who backstage, he left very disappointed, never met your heroes, came to mind. It's been many years since I saw a celebrity, if I did I would probably just nod, I have never been an autograph hunter, most celebrities want to be left alone. I knew that when I saw Bradley Walsh at a charity golf tournament, when I did bar work.

I can't even remember how I came into Kits orbit..I think from attending the same nightclub.

At his best he was highly amusing and great company but that was so often fueled by drugs.

I was involved in some projects with Kit and lunched at separate times with Daltrey and Townshend and both were very complimentary about Kit bur said his drug use made the collaboration unworkable.

I knew Kit before his downfall when he still lived in Knighstbridge and threw great parties.
I spent 3 days in his Venice palazzo which was rather gloomy as there had been a fire caused by Kit falling asleep with a cigarette, exactly what eventually happened in his Knighstbridge home.

What saved that long weekend was his next door neighbor Peggy Guggenheim who was very fond of Kit and invited us over for dinner each night.She told me she wanted to marry Kit but was unsure she could afford him.

After he became a Ward of The Court everything became a nightmare.

I arranged for Kit to sell a series of stories about The Who etc to a tabloid for then £25K no mean sum.

The Official Solicitor got wind & told the tabloid the money must go to them so they could dole it out to Kit with no weekly increase. It crushed him.

Likewise I and another tried to set up a new record label. Kit's own label brilliantly called Track Records which he set up to sign Jimi Hendrix was defunct with legal hassles.

We could walk into any big record company with Kit and doors would fly open. We had plans to sign up a few people from the famous Blitz Club as Kit correctly said the place was full of star potentials like Boy George and Spandau Ballet who Kit reckoned he could turn into big stars.


He even reckoned he make the Blitz host Steve Strange into a recording star as Strange eventually became.

But he would always miss important meetings while off on benders. So disappointing.

Kit always joked he would die young like his father Constant Lambert did at age 46 and he did, at age 46.

# One of the early 1930s society scandals was that Constant had a long love affair with a teenage Margot Fonteyn.

## One story I loved that Kit used to tell. He was in fierce but friendly competition with the Stones manager Andrew Loog Oldham who had bought a new Rolls Royce complete with a telephone.

Kit finally also got to buy his own Rolls Royce and had a telephone installed. He then rang up Oldham in his Roller and said he was calling from his new car on the car phone.

Oldham responded, "hold on Kit, I've got another call coming from my other car phone, can I put you on hold"

Kit sort of relished stories where he was the butt of a joke.

In Kit's previous life he was also an Amazon Jungle explorer and got accused of murder when his companion was killed by Amazon natives. A campaign by the Daily Express basically saved him. A film was made about his 3rd companion but I can't remember the name.

He discovered The Who, then called The High Notes in a pub while making a film about rock music.

Politically we are world's apart but I could listen to your stories all day every day.

It's very hard to help out any addict if they can't help themselves,it's interesting he saw potential in a very Steve Strange. He was another troubled man and lost absolutely everything in about ten year's and died young. The problem with Steve Strange it's very hard to write follow up hits. Paul Jones spoke about this on a podcast.