is showing one thing loud and clear.
We should NEVER have allowed Jeremy Corbyn to be removed.
A good and decent honourable man would have made a far better PM than any of the current clown candidates (CCC).
For those who destroyed him a wish a long and happy life living in Gaza.

Jeremy Corbyn and Labour's policies were not even particularly radical rather a step back to another era where the same successful policies were enacted under both Labour and Conservative governments.

But ever since Margaret Thatcher (sorry JK) was in charge Great Britain was irrevocably changed with a permanent swing to the far right and damaging venture Capitalism rampaging at full pelt.

I predict Maggie's proclamation that Tony Blair was her greatest success will be replaced by her worshipers with the claim that the pathological liar Keir Starmer is her Spitting Image.

I think it's just as well that Jeremy Corbyn isn't PM at the moment. He'd surely have Ukraine and any other country attacked by the Putin regime waving the white flag.

Jeremy Corbyn urges west to stop arming Ukraine

This article by him (Our leaders seem determined to give war a chance. Their thirst for conflict endangers us all.), which is mainly about Gaza, seems rather simplistic. It seems fair in theory to say "Real security isn’t destroying your neighbour, it’s getting on with your neighbour". But what if your neighbour attacks you? What if your neighbour's neighbour attacks your neighbour and threatens you too?

Jeremy Corbyn strikes me as well-meaning but more of a theorising activist than someone capable of dealing with practicalities and some very nasty people.

Beth Rigby got something quite unexpected out of Starmer last night in the interview considering her perceived pro Labour sympathies.

Keir Starmer admitted quite clearly out loud to the country that he deliberately told lies during both the 2017 and 2019 election campaigns when he promoted Corbyn for PM, said he was his friend, believed in his policies and thought he was best man to be Prime Minister. He maintains it was because he knew Labour would lose in 2019, but that was not certain at all at that time. It only seemed so after the result came in. At the 2017 election Labour had come unexpectedly close and shocked everyone and there was genuine thinking Corbyn would do it in 2019 after that one. I remember feeling quite uneasy on the day in 2019 that Corbyn might pull it off.

So Starmer admits to telling premeditated lies to the electorate during an election campaign, not once but two of them infact. His word means nothing. It's no defence to say you only said those things because you thought you knew with certainty the result beforehand. It's moral cowardice. What if Corbyn had won? How would he have behaved in cabinet then, sought to remove him once elected?

WHy is Starmer not feeling more heat today over this admittance of deliberate premeditated shameless lying during previous campaigns.

Starmer is a bigger conman than Boris Johnson could ever claim to be and the nation is falling for it. Some of us can see straight through him, and I'm not a Corbyn supporter but do give a nod to his core integrity regards his views.

Rich wrote:
Keir Starmer admitted quite clearly out loud to the country that he deliberately told lies during both the 2017 and 2019 election campaigns when he promoted Corbyn for PM, said he was his friend, believed in his policies and thought he was best man to be Prime Minister.
I don't see him admitting that he deliberately lied in this video, which seems to be the relevant part of the interview. But reading between the lines, he seems to me to be saying that he had put up a front of support for Jeremy Corbyn because he knew that they'd lose the election and had done so in order ensure that (other) "good" people (e.g. Starmer allies?) didn't lose their seats. He can't explicitly say that because he wanted to campaign for Labour he had no option but to publicly support Corbyn but didn't really think he'd make a good PM, as he'd alienate a lot of Labour supporters.

Rich wrote:
Starmer is a bigger conman than Boris Johnson could ever claim to be and the nation is falling for it. Some of us can see straight through him, and I'm not a Corbyn supporter but do give a nod to his core integrity regards his views

Most lawyers are conmen, they can lie in court and get away with it.

I feel sorry for his father he was a toolmaker then he produced a defected tool.

But Jo, back in 2019 Starmer called Corbyn "my friend". He didn't have to say that bit but chose to. It was clearly another huge lie. Saying Corbyn was his friend had no bearing on policy or who got elected.

Green Man, even now Starmer just can't help but keep lying, this time over the toolmaker laughter in the interview on Sky. He claims someone was laughing at his father's job and plays out a victimisation excuse and appeals for sympathy. But he knows that's not true, nobody was laughing at his father's job, they were all laughing at his tedious bringing up of his father's occupation yet again on cue, now being said so many times it's getting embarrassing. Much like Sunak's pharmacy trot out. In Starmer's case didn't his toolmaker father actually own the firm? He was hardly a lowly employee.

So why has Starmer tried to create a false narrative around this audience laughter I wonder? Does he hold the electorate in such contempt? Well yes he must, he proved that with an unwillingness to accept a legitimate national vote in this country because he didn't like the result in 2016.

Good things often happen to undeserving people and this is where I see Starmer and this Labour Party, one of the least deserving oppositions ever to take power.

I'm surprised Farage and Tice have allowed themselves to be lulled into a false sense of security with Starmer on the EU issue. He's saying next to nothing in this campaign on it but I believe once in power he will go all out to rejoin and before we know it we will be fighting that all over again. Farage is a sharp and perceptive character but seems to have bought into Starmer's assurances on the EU and single market and freedom of movement. I have not. He's lying again. We don't have the luxury of believing Starmer who has no principles and who can lie and deceive with apparent ease and without shame.

It just shows you how atrocious this Tory Government is, that it's allowed such an oppostion an easy shoe in at the election from a previous result that was their worst in over 80 years since 1935.

Starmer nakedly holds the electorate in contempt. He pushed for more and harder lockdowns while castigating the Government for the inevitable economic and human ruin that resulted. For political gain.

However, so did Johnson, Farage and others during the Brexit debate when they repeatedly lied to the electorate. As a result, there was nothing "legitimate" about Brexit; and the young (under 60) who inherited this situation have a right to an honest debate and second plebiscite.

Wyot wrote:
Starmer nakedly holds the electorate in contempt. He pushed for more and harder lockdowns while castigating the Government for the inevitable economic and human ruin that resulted. For political gain.

However, so did Johnson, Farage and others during the Brexit debate when they repeatedly lied to the electorate. As a result, there was nothing "legitimate" about Brexit; and the young (under 60) who inherited this situation have a right to an honest debate and second plebiscite.


What Brexit Wyot, the one on paper?

I don't remember hearing/seeing Farage pushing for a stronger lockdown but I would love to see full video evidence not edited snippets.

I am amazed that no one has questioned Starmer about the lockdowns apart from the the landlord from The Raven.

I am surprised The Guardian put up the video of Starmer and goons being bully boy thugs in a pub.

I guess The Guardian have no faith in Starmer. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

For political gain?

No political party - including the Tories/government - got the reaction/handling of Covid right. With the benefit of hindsight.

Nor did the medical profession. Largely because the virus was totally new - and hadn't been encountered on earth before.

Starmer seems very at ease with persistant lying on all subjects. It must be the lawyer in him that allows him to behave like this. But it won't work as PM and will be his undoing. If he really believes the latest lie he told to Chris Hope on the battlebus then he may need therapy because that was not a normal rational response to the audience reaction.

Sally Nice wrote:
For political gain?

No political party - including the Tories/government - got the reaction/handling of Covid right. With the benefit of hindsight.

Nor did the medical profession. Largely because the virus was totally new - and hadn't been encountered on earth before.

Not my point Barney. The virus was not my point.

My point was that Starmer argued for harder and longer lockdowns (rightly or wrongly) while at the same time castigating the Government for the harm caused by said lockdowns.

Let's put it another way to help you.

Two gods sit in the heavens. God 1 (the Gov) says "the land is too dry let's send a lot of rain!". God 2 (Starmer) says "yes of course and what took you so long and you should send even more rain and aren't you awful for causing all these floods!"

Get it?

Green Man wrote:
[quote]Wyot wrote:



What Brexit Wyot, the one on paper?



No the one that took us out of the European Union GM.

Supporters of it, instead of moaning that somehow it wasn't "done right", should question their initial beliefs about what doing such a thing could and would result in for the country.