The Trump campaign played the theme from Titanic as an introduction to his latest rally.

Celine Dion's management has stopped them using it but as Dion says "really, that song"

I have a made a pact with friends Hedda. If Trump wins I will be a getting a Trump tattoo.

I have a feeling he will be president despite Harris receiving a higher vote.

I'm no Trump fan but finding Harris a bit light weight.

I am glad there is abortion to some extent, so odd-balls don't breed. (look at the 4.35 min mark)

Now Lara Trump has lashed Celine Dion for objecting and says, basically, "sod Dion, I'll sing the song myself""

Somebody must tell her the history of the Titanic. Some Trump aide has made a huge bungle.

hedda wrote:
Now Lara Trump has lashed Celine Dion for objecting and says, basically, "sod Dion, I'll sing the song myself""

Somebody must tell her the history of the Titanic. Some Trump aide has made a huge bungle.

They have but I doubt most of his voters will even be aware of the history. Clearly he is not.

Wyot wrote:
hedda wrote:
Now Lara Trump has lashed Celine Dion for objecting and says, basically, "sod Dion, I'll sing the song myself""

Somebody must tell her the history of the Titanic. Some Trump aide has made a huge bungle.

They have but I doubt most of his voters will even be aware of the history. Clearly he is not.

His staff pick the song choices but they should of been cleared first with the artists first.

Twisted Sister don't let either party use their songs no more. Despite the band never gave permission to either the Dems and Reps...they both used We're Not Going To Take It in the past.


Skeletons of Society by Slayer sums up the Dems.

hedda wrote:
I'm no Trump fan but finding Harris a bit light weight.
I think women tend to have that problem in politics and business. Gravitas and wisdom always seem to be associated with men. Remember how Thatcher lowered her voice. I find Harris's voice a bit grating, very nasal.

As many AVBB viewers know I think the "men and women are the same" argument, like Communism, is flawed. All animals are NOT equal but must be treated with equal respect, decency and kindness. Most women are dreadful leaders (Theresa May; Liz Truss) where a few are fine (Thatcher; Boudicca). Many men are poor leaders but some are excellent. It's an individual thing and generalities, as in everything, don't work.

I think women lack the self-confidence that a lot of men seem to non-reflectively possess; and which has no necessary link to their abilities.

I think women more often accept nuance in argument than men, too. Or that they might be wrong. This will be used by some men as evidence of "weakness". Of course I am generalising and some men have these skills too.

Men seem often as a result to have more obvious leadership qualities, but it is leadership of a certain kind that has been set up by...men...

Which is why Thatcher was criticised by some for being more of a male politician than a male; which in a sense was true.

With the world as it is I think we would greatly benefit from genuinely female leadership at present.

For clarity, I am a male. Who thinks more like a female.

If they wanted to use a song by a Canuck, they needed to pick something like Not Fragile or Let It Ride by B.T.O.

You Walked Away Again or Good To Be Back by Prism.


The Nuge is a giant Trump fan. Still Raising Hell, Never Stop Believing and Bound and Gagged be good choices.

I fell asleep watching YT videos and was awakened by a Harris / Walz rally with an almost ecstatic crowd.

There sounded like tens of 1000s were at the rally but Kamala did not enunciate policies just feel good stuff..perhaps Policies will come later.

I was however impressed by Tim Katz and in some ways I reckon it should be the other way around..Katz running for President and Harris for VP again.

Katz manner sounds very down to earth which is missing from all the others.

Wyot wrote:
I think women lack the self-confidence that a lot of men seem to non-reflectively possess; and which has no necessary link to their abilities.

I think women more often accept nuance in argument than men, too. Or that they might be wrong. This will be used by some men as evidence of "weakness". Of course I am generalising and some men have these skills too.

Men seem often as a result to have more obvious leadership qualities, but it is leadership of a certain kind that has been set up by...men...

Which is why Thatcher was criticised by some for being more of a male politician than a male; which in a sense was true.

With the world as it is I think we would greatly benefit from genuinely female leadership at present.

For clarity, I am a male. Who thinks more like a female.
Great points, Wyot. The female managers I've had have been no worse than the males and one of the best managers I've had was a woman. There have been and still are plenty more female political leaders around the world than May or Truss. But if one considers women to be intrinsically inferior, I expect that one will tend to home in on the failures and hold them up as indicative of the majority.

Jo wrote:
[quote]Wyot wrote:



Great points, Wyot. The female managers I've had have been no worse than the males and one of the best managers I've had was a woman.

Thanks Jo. The best manager/boss I ever had was a female, and also the worst was.

I think you are correct in that people too quickly draw generalisations about females (or males) in whatever roles based on the worst examples they encounter.

And they will be looking for the worst examples, anyway, to confirm their own initial opinions/bias...

For clarity, I am a male. Who thinks more like a female.

Do you want to borrow my partner's Audrey Landers LPs, along with her New Wave make-up? She will have a make-up palette that will suit your eyes.

You could pretend it's the 80s again.

Green Man wrote:
For clarity, I am a male. Who thinks more like a female.

Do you want to borrow my partner's Audrey Landers LPs, along with her New Wave make-up? She will have a make-up palette that will suit your eyes.

You could pretend it's the 80s again.


Thank you GM for the kind offer but that won't be necessary...

Wyot wrote:
Green Man wrote:
For clarity, I am a male. Who thinks more like a female.

Do you want to borrow my partner's Audrey Landers LPs, along with her New Wave make-up? She will have a make-up palette that will suit your eyes.

You could pretend it's the 80s again.


Thank you GM for the kind offer but that won't be necessary...

So you don't want look like a celebrity crush from the 80s, Roseanne Cash?