That huge mast, whilst looking fabulous, seemed dodgy to me. Made I gather from aluminium (lightning strike?) and looking to this totally uniformed "expert" a bit risky for balance (surely it meant the boat could tip over more easily than with a shorter mast). It should have been retractable (perhaps it was and the tornado hit too fast).

Is this weird or not?

www.thetimes.com/article/66bcd81f-617b-4...ef33af182682aa7598e7

Wyot will know he went to Uni.

At 237ft, the sailing mast was the second tallest in the world; the yacht was 183ft long.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist and cannot believe something organised was responsible for both deaths but it is TOO odd and cannot be co-incidence. One can only suspect that there is more to this world than we know or can even imagine. I credit KARMA for the deaths of Max Clifford and several people involved in my 2000 fiasco (and genuinely would have reversed those deaths if I could have). Likewise the vegetable effects of several near terminal strokes for my original "whistle blower" who blew a whistle that didn't exist for Max. So many others that were involved, even on the fringes, of that miscarriage of justice. And many more from 2018 (the main police person is now selling aromatherapy online after losing her job). Even things like newspapers have closed down. Never ignore the world outside our world.

Th older I get the less wedded to purely materialist explanations of the world I find myself. Like you I don't go for the conspiracy. No one surely can arrange a storm unless a God! But this is undoubtedly strange. Parallel universes, glitches in the matrix, supernatural. Who knows. But something...

Yes - the "tornado" is odd in itself but far odder is his co-defendant being killed in a car crash involving a totally innocent (it appears) woman at almost exactly the same time, miles away.

Wyot wrote:
Th older I get the less wedded to purely materialist explanations of the world I find myself. Like you I don't go for the conspiracy. No one surely can arrange a storm unless a God! But this is undoubtedly strange. Parallel universes, glitches in the matrix, supernatural. Who knows. But something...

Do we have independent witnesses to the mystery tornado, other than those who claim to be on board and the footage that might be fake?

JK2006 wrote:
I'm not a conspiracy theorist and cannot believe something organised was responsible for both deaths but it is TOO odd and cannot be co-incidence. One can only suspect that there is more to this world than we know or can even imagine. I credit KARMA for the deaths of Max Clifford and several people involved in my 2000 fiasco (and genuinely would have reversed those deaths if I could have). Likewise the vegetable effects of several near terminal strokes for my original "whistle blower" who blew a whistle that didn't exist for Max. So many others that were involved, even on the fringes, of that miscarriage of justice. And many more from 2018 (the main police person is now selling aromatherapy online after losing her job). Even things like newspapers have closed down. Never ignore the world outside our world.

A revenge plot is not exactly karma.

Honey wrote:
[quote]Wyot wrote:


Do we have independent witnesses to the mystery tornado, other than those who claim to be on board and the footage that might be fake?

Oh don't go there Honey - please not you!!

Honey wrote, "Do we have independent witnesses to the mystery tornado, other than those who claim to be on board and the footage that might be fake?"

According to National Geographic, a waterspout roughly resembles a mini-tornado over a body of water. It likely occurred as storms and heavy rainfall have hit Italy in recent days – with floods and landslides causing damage in the north – after weeks of scorching heat.

There was a celebration party onboard all night with many doors and windows wide open in the extreme heat.

“I was at home when the tornado struck,” fisherman Pietro Asciutto told ANSA. “I immediately closed all the windows. Then I saw the boat, it just had one mast, it was really big. I saw it suddenly sink.”

Another witness quoted by the agency said: “The boat was all lit up. Around 4:30 am, it was no longer there. A beautiful boat where there was a party. A normal joyous vacation day at sea turned into tragedy.”

www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/8/19/seven-p...icily-coast-in-italy

I've been on a couple of superyatchs on the gorgeous and calm Sydney harbour (no not one of Lachlan Murdoch's $gazillions tubs) but an hour suffices and thank God water taxis are available for a quick exit back to dry land.

You wouldn't catch me on one on the unpredictable Mediterranean for quids especially this bizarre sounding one that apparently flopped on its side and with cabin windows open on a hot night, plunged quickly as it was so damned heavy.

Its miraculous anyone survived.

The two deaths are obviously not a plot but one of nature's brutal comedy's as it mocks us and yet another great ocean mystery of which there are so many.