Yet again the annoying stupidity of humanity; restricting winter fuel allowance to those who actually need assistance makes great sense. Yet stupids are complaining that removing it from ALL pensioners is wrong. Of course THAT would be wrong. But I've said elsewhere, I shall continue to get it because my small pension allows it. Just as I got LEGAL AID (based on income) in 2018 because I could not afford legal fees as opposed to in 2001 when it cost me every penny of my million pound savings.

Simplification. Satan's Weapon of Mass Destruction in 2024.

Agreed.

But as an aside where is Starmer's political sense in first targeting pensioners?

I'm sorry the leader of the Labour party, pledging pre election to make those with "the broadest shoulders" bear the burden targets firstly...cough...pensioners.

Wyot wrote:
Agreed.

But as an aside where is Starmer's political sense in first targeting pensioners?

I'm sorry the leader of the Labour party, pledging pre election to make those with "the broadest shoulders" bear the burden targets firstly...cough...pensioners.

They need some of the housing stock back.

It won't be long (IMO) until the Old Age Pension - and many other benefits - will be means tested, with additional residency/status checks added on. Eligibility will be strictly analysed.

The correct way ahead - but unwelcome to many who worked all their lives. An elderly neighbour of mine is dismayed - as her winter fuel allowance was always earmarked for grandchildren's Christmas presents.

Al Gershwin wrote:
It won't be long (IMO) until the Old Age Pension - and many other benefits - will be means tested, with additional residency/status checks added on. Eligibility will be strictly analysed.

The correct way ahead - but unwelcome to many who worked all their lives. An elderly neighbour of mine is dismayed - as her winter fuel allowance was always earmarked for grandchildren's Christmas presents.

Instead of cash give them vouchers to use for key cards, or credit their bills. I don't know any pensioner who uses key cards on the meter.

During the plandemic were told to look after granny by not seeing her or give her contact.

Yet, Labour can do what God did to Uzzah.

The end of Starmer? However, ruining the economy is the end goal, with unlimited migration. Just look at the Cloward–Piven strategy.

So were told that Tories were nasty party for many years.

Labour had one rebel, it does not surprise me at all. MPs need to wash their money in off shore accounts and weapons, there is no profit in peace.

I wonder if they go for bus passes next and another tax on Winter clothes? If the pensioners were sent to prison, they would have the last laugh. All the OAPs will do is knit, talk about the past, drink tea, eat biscuits and watch daytime TV and in bed by 9PM. You wouldn't need prison guards at all. Give each pensioner a small radio so they can listen to the cricket. Guards can find other jobs.

I wonder if people voted Labour now regret their tick in the box?


If you voted then you deserve what you get, sadly, other people suffer.

Yet again Corbyn shows he should be PM.

JK2006 wrote:
Yet again Corbyn shows he should be PM.

I would be happy with Corbyn's dog at this point.

JK2006 wrote:
Yet again Corbyn shows he should be PM.

More communism then.

Just who is the 'nasty party'? We were told it was Tories, Starmer wanted stricter lockdowns and to follow China.

They want to kill the useless eaters OAPs to free up housing stock for illegals and prisoners at the same time laundering billions of pounds in Ukraine. Now they want to get rid of bus passes which are a lifeline for OAPs many can't drive any more. OAPs will soon be forced to live with their children.

Are Labour voters now hiding from the mess they made, I know that some Labour voters are apologising on social media.

What happened to smashing the gangs, more and more are arriving every day now.

Give it Labour will probably offer euthanasia for the OAPs then move on to those on PIP.


www.gbnews.com/money/pensioner-keir-starmer-scrap-free-bus-pass


www.lbc.co.uk/news/business-secretary-re...vel-pass-pensioners/

Green Man wrote:
So were told that Tories were nasty party for many years.

Labour had one rebel, it does not surprise me at all. MPs need to wash their money in off shore accounts and weapons, there is no profit in peace.

I wonder if they go for bus passes next and another tax on Winter clothes? If the pensioners were sent to prison, they would have the last laugh. All the OAPs will do is knit, talk about the past, drink tea, eat biscuits and watch daytime TV and in bed by 9PM. You wouldn't need prison guards at all. Give each pensioner a small radio so they can listen to the cricket. Guards can find other jobs.

I wonder if people voted Labour now regret their tick in the box?


If you voted then you deserve what you get, sadly, other people suffer.




I cannot get over the idiocy of those people, and I know a few, who hated the Tories and simply chose to switch direct to Labour simply to remove the Tories, hating Labour policies and Starmer but wanting anything but the Tories. I was not one of these fools. I thought of this election as the from the frying pan into the fire election.

But Labour didn't have to win that election. Nobody forced anyone to put a cross against a Labour candidate. Starmer's Labour only got half the votes that the leave vote got in 2016. If everyone who voted leave, or even half of them had voted non Tory/Labour at this election the result would have been very different.

Talking nasty, I believe this Labour party is like no other Labour party that came before it in government.

Just think about it, they've removed the winter fuel allowance from 10,000,000 pensioners. That's a very big number and a very big deal. But having done that they now plan to remove the single person council tax deduction. Many widowed pensioners will get hit all over again with that as well. Now there is chatter that they will be coming for their free bus passes too. It's literally incredible. A labour government, A LABOUR GOVERNMENT doing this! Not even the most right wing Tory administration with Norman Tebbit at the helm would have gone down this route. Plus, it's politically thick as mince. Do they think all those pensioners are going to be goners by 2029 or something?

Where has Gordon Brown been in all this, why is he staying quiet?

On top of all the above, the real immorality of the situation is that these people like Reeves and Starmer who are removing these things are at the same time voting through all their own perks and benefits as MP's like getting fuel bills paid on second homes and the like and getting ample travel allowances and plenty more besides.

Why are there so few genuinely likeable Labour politicians in this government as well? You don't have to vote for a party to still recognise they have a few decent ones among the ranks. But this Labour, virtually none.

I do believe that Starmer in just his first 2 months has already sealed his demise.

Rich wrote:
Green Man wrote:
So were told that Tories were nasty party for many years.

Labour had one rebel, it does not surprise me at all. MPs need to wash their money in off shore accounts and weapons, there is no profit in peace.

I wonder if they go for bus passes next and another tax on Winter clothes? If the pensioners were sent to prison, they would have the last laugh. All the OAPs will do is knit, talk about the past, drink tea, eat biscuits and watch daytime TV and in bed by 9PM. You wouldn't need prison guards at all. Give each pensioner a small radio so they can listen to the cricket. Guards can find other jobs.

I wonder if people voted Labour now regret their tick in the box?


If you voted then you deserve what you get, sadly, other people suffer.




I cannot get over the idiocy of those people, and I know a few, who hated the Tories and simply chose to switch direct to Labour simply to remove the Tories, hating Labour policies and Starmer but wanting anything but the Tories. I was not one of these fools. I thought of this election as the from the frying pan into the fire election.

But Labour didn't have to win that election. Nobody forced anyone to put a cross against a Labour candidate. Starmer's Labour only got half the votes that the leave vote got in 2016. If everyone who voted leave, or even half of them had voted non Tory/Labour at this election the result would have been very different.

Talking nasty, I believe this Labour party is like no other Labour party that came before it in government.

Just think about it, they've removed the winter fuel allowance from 10,000,000 pensioners. That's a very big number and a very big deal. But having done that they now plan to remove the single person council tax deduction. Many widowed pensioners will get hit all over again with that as well. Now there is chatter that they will be coming for their free bus passes too. It's literally incredible. A labour government, A LABOUR GOVERNMENT doing this! Not even the most right wing Tory administration with Norman Tebbit at the helm would have gone down this route. Plus, it's politically thick as mince. Do they think all those pensioners are going to be goners by 2029 or something?

Where has Gordon Brown been in all this, why is he staying quiet?

On top of all the above, the real immorality of the situation is that these people like Reeves and Starmer who are removing these things are at the same time voting through all their own perks and benefits as MP's like getting fuel bills paid on second homes and the like and getting ample travel allowances and plenty more besides.

Why are there so few genuinely likeable Labour politicians in this government as well? You don't have to vote for a party to still recognise they have a few decent ones among the ranks. But this Labour, virtually none.

I do believe that Starmer in just his first 2 months has already sealed his demise.

Students probably voted for the first time, they have no idea about Blair and Brown years. Uni's are very left which is nothing but the woke culture is going at full steam ahead.

When I go to work politics is normally the small talk, and the same in a few charity shops, where I browse to get cheap CDs to listen to in the truck. The people who said they were voting Labour before the election are now dead silent. Either they are ashamed to admit their choice or they know the misery that Starmer and ilk are causing.

Many old people volunteer in charity shops, they would rather talk about anything now that is no longer talk politics when they were once very vocal.

The government get humpy when people don't vote but 50 Labour MPs did not cast their vote for Winter Allowance. It's another 'do as I say, don't do what I do'; scenario again.

Bus Passes will be going soon or they will have a fee each year to obtain one. The Starmer will go after those PIP and take away their bus passes.

Maggie took milk away from the kids, and Starmer is playing with people's lives.

I do think "politically" Starmer needs to now direct intentions towards wealth tax and avoidance to show he is serious in addressing revenue generation, rather than signalling to the city that he is no worry to them economically - more Tory than the Tories.

Who - apart from nasty rhetoric on foreigners and Europe - have not been at all conservative socially or economically since Cameron made them a continuation of the New Labour project.

Why is there so much political cowardice around nowadays?

Why didn't Starmer have the guts if he can do the tough decisions like he says, to tell the electorate before the vote that he intended to remove the winter fuel payments and all the other wilder suggestions now being made? He thinks he's different doesn't he, except he's just another in a long line of cowards, sipping at the same trough as those that have come before him in recent decades.

Kamala Harris is another political coward trying to get elected now. Hiding away from any serious scrutiny, failing to answer questions, refuses to be interviewed or even sidestepped with a question, even when she has to show up to a debate with a biased very friendly pair of moderators from pro Democrat ABC she can't answer any meaningful detail, instead furiously trying to memorize her pre-planned Trump insults.

1979 and Britain owned all its billion pound assets with easily managed debt.

All sold off by scoundrels.