https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2yj24xge1o

Very sad case , but is it really manslaughter when someone chooses to kill themselves due to blackmail. Surely there should be some responsibility from the parents who shouldn't allow young children unfettered access to the internet, let alone access to a gun. What Alexander MacCartney did was awful but there should have been more safeguarding by the parents. It makes you wonder about society that people spend so much time in their bedrooms online live a virtual life, not having no social life or relationships

What an awful case. I think it's absolutely right that he was convicted of manslaughter. But she shouldn't have had access to a gun and this case suggests that children, even older teenagers, shouldn't be on chat rooms frequented by adults.

I think the parents - for having a loaded gun readily available to this child - should be charged with gross negligence manslaughter. I don't think the online predator (legally) should have been charged with manslaughter, but with child grooming etc offences. However, I am pleased that he has been.

Nothing to do with a gun FFS. It's to do with parents allowing kids online to God knows what these days, and a pervert.

When I first got the Internet, over 30 years ago. I used it for guitar tabs, cheats for gaming, alternative news and Deep State conspiracy theories.

I have no idea what Discord is but people talk about it alot.

Green Man wrote:
Nothing to do with a gun FFS. It's to do with parents allowing kids online to God knows what these days, and a pervert.



Nothing go do with a gun in itself no GM but what sort of parents leave them available for children to access?

I think the gun had a pretty big part in the death. If it was available the girl wouldn't have shot herself. However it is worrying that the girl also wasn't monitored to the extent that she could send explicit photos of herself to this pervert.

It's bad parenting Wyot, sadly if it was not the gun; the poor girl would have found something else to end her life.

Green Man wrote:
It's bad parenting Wyot, sadly if it was not the gun; the poor girl would have found something else to end her life.

Well yes and no...There is a very easy and immediate death available via a loaded gun in the spur of the moment. A less accessible and immediate means of suicide may have led to hesitation...

Wyot wrote:
Green Man wrote:
It's bad parenting Wyot, sadly if it was not the gun; the poor girl would have found something else to end her life.

Well yes and no...There is a very easy and immediate death available via a loaded gun in the spur of the moment. A less accessible and immediate means of suicide may have led to hesitation...

The same can be said of jumping out of a window or standing in front of a train or lorry.

Green Man wrote:
[quote]Wyot wrote:
Green Man wrote:


Well yes and no...There is a very easy and immediate death available via a loaded gun in the spur of the moment. A less accessible and immediate means of suicide may have led to hesitation...

The same can be said of jumping out of a window or standing in front of a train or lorry.

Unless she was as proximate to a very high window (to ensure death) as the gun or stood as near to a speeding train this is simply not true. In other words your analogies are less accessible and immediate means of suicide and actually illustrate rather than refute my point.

The parents allowed an easy immediate means of suicide within the place the child should have been safest, her home.

Additionally, the gun served no necessary purpose, unlike a window or train.

False analogy GM.

Wasn't an analogy Wyot, just saying there are other ways.