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TOPIC: Trump wins
#250711
Trump wins 9 Months ago  
Well not quite yet (6.00am UK time) but it looks like he's way ahead with winning the popular vote as well as getting more than enough electoral votes.
I think he's ghastly and disagree with 90% of his policies BUT...
Thank God someone totally fighting the majority of the media has won again! Since the start I've hugely admired the guy's guts in taking on the media and beating it (with a little help from Musk and Twixxer).
Thank God someone has dared fight his enemies who were using the law to break the law (especially the False Allegations Industry) and win.
So as I've said - not all bad news. And he really wasn't a bad President four years ago.
 
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#250712
Wyot

Re:Trump wins 8 Months, 4 Weeks ago  
God help us all.

He is a different man mentally from the last time.
 
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#250714
Downing Street Cat

Re:Trump wins 8 Months, 4 Weeks ago  
Desperately sad day.
 
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#250715
Re:Trump wins 8 Months, 4 Weeks ago  
Good winner's speech - typically Trump; breaking all the PR media rules, just being his rambling bonkers self. It will be interesting to see how his Presidency unfolds - will he, as I hope, destroy the false allegations industry and will the rest of the world follow his example? Will he stop Israel's madness in Gaza and Lebanon? Will he help the Rohingya? Will he persuade Putin to leave Ukraine? We shall see.
 
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#250717
Wyot

Re:Trump wins 8 Months, 4 Weeks ago  
JK2006 wrote:
Good winner's speech - typically Trump; breaking all the PR media rules, just being his rambling bonkers self. It will be interesting to see how his Presidency unfolds - will he, as I hope, destroy the false allegations industry and will the rest of the world follow his example? Will he stop Israel's madness in Gaza and Lebanon? Will he help the Rohingya? Will he persuade Putin to leave Ukraine? We shall see.


I will happily review my views on nearly everything if, as I hope, he achieves these things.
 
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#250718
hedda

Re:Trump wins 8 Months, 4 Weeks ago  
God help the UK once tariffs are imposed.

God help Ukraine
God help Gaza
 
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#250719
Re:Trump wins 8 Months, 4 Weeks ago  
So why did he win? Essentially because of media. He knew how to use media. Simplification. Slogans. It didn't matter if his positions were true or false; sensible or mad. He kept them simple. Lesson learned. In this Century - keep it simple.
 
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#250721
Re:Trump wins 8 Months, 4 Weeks ago  
And if he did indeed win the 2020 election, and if it WAS stolen, what better a victory could he hope for 4 years later? Over 70 million votes and still climbing. Only 11 million more and he gets the biggest popular vote ever.
 
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#250723
Green Man

Re:Trump wins 8 Months, 4 Weeks ago  
JK2006 wrote:
And if he did indeed win the 2020 election, and if it WAS stolen, what better a victory could he hope for 4 years later? Over 70 million votes and still climbing. Only 11 million more and he gets the biggest popular vote ever.


You should watch the shadow ban documentaries about the Biden election.
 
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#250727
Green Man

Re:Trump wins 8 Months, 4 Weeks ago  
Downing Street Cat wrote:
Desperately sad day.

 
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#250728
hedda

Re:Trump wins 8 Months, 4 Weeks ago  
The whako straight jacket candidate JFK jr is to be put in charge of health and vaccines.

He's dead set against fluoride and the Po9lio vaccine.

Must have never met a polio victim.
 
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#250730
Green Man

Re:Trump wins 8 Months, 4 Weeks ago  
JK2006 wrote:
So why did he win? Essentially because of media. He knew how to use media. Simplification. Slogans. It didn't matter if his positions were true or false; sensible or mad. He kept them simple. Lesson learned. In this Century - keep it simple.

Or the Biden was a shit president and a muppet. The poor got shafted, Harris could of gotten her manifesto in to action a few years ago. There is an open border in the States (JK's wetdream) people have been fed of celeb's endorsements and thoughts since the plandemic. Nearly all the celebs who supported Harris are in the shit for Hollywood Satanic parties and P Diddy.

Trump did the Podcast circuit not the legacy media...Podcasts are the new Talk Radio format.

Not forgetting the Hunter Laptop saga, Biden's daughter diary and Biden's hyper-inflation.
 
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#250731
Green Man

Re:Trump wins 8 Months, 4 Weeks ago  
hedda wrote:
The whako straight jacket candidate JFK jr is to be put in charge of health and vaccines.

He's dead set against fluoride and the Po9lio vaccine.

Must have never met a polio victim.



I will bet my last Pound coin, the polio vaccines are the not the same as the ones from the past.

Do you want a tissue also?
 
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#250736
Rick

Re:Trump wins 8 Months, 4 Weeks ago  
The Democrats still haven't learnt the lesson of Trump's last victory: go out, listen to people - really LISTEN - then reflect and rebuild your policies so as to appear responsive, constructive and positive, and win back trust and support.

Instead they've gone to lawyers, gone to the courts and encouraged the media to help them remove the interloper from the Establishment. And branded all of those who voted in a certain way mere idiots.

Biden, Starmer - their whole strategy was to hide away and wait for the other guy to get so unpopular that they'd get the protest vote for 'at least not being the other guy'. It may work once, but it's the most pathetic short term strategy.

Stop thinking that you'll get back in simply by not being the other guy. YOU are the other guy! Start actually trying to provide a coherent, understandable, engaging alternative.
 
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#250737
Downing Street Cat

Re:Trump wins 8 Months, 4 Weeks ago  
JK2006 wrote:
Good winner's speech - typically Trump; breaking all the PR media rules, just being his rambling bonkers self. It will be interesting to see how his Presidency unfolds - will he, as I hope, destroy the false allegations industry and will the rest of the world follow his example? Will he stop Israel's madness in Gaza and Lebanon? Will he help the Rohingya? Will he persuade Putin to leave Ukraine? We shall see. Trump has been a cheerleader for the false allegations industry. He literally gloated over Weinstein. And his own false allegations of democrats rigging the system. The man has a phobia of the truth. If anything there will be a plague of false convictions in the next 4 years as he exercises his plan for revenge.
 
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#250739
Rick

Re:Trump wins 8 Months, 4 Weeks ago  
Downing Street Cat wrote:
JK2006 wrote:
Good winner's speech - typically Trump; breaking all the PR media rules, just being his rambling bonkers self. It will be interesting to see how his Presidency unfolds - will he, as I hope, destroy the false allegations industry and will the rest of the world follow his example? Will he stop Israel's madness in Gaza and Lebanon? Will he help the Rohingya? Will he persuade Putin to leave Ukraine? We shall see. Trump has been a cheerleader for the false allegations industry. He literally gloated over Weinstein. And his own false allegations of democrats rigging the system. The man has a phobia of the truth. If anything there will be a plague of false convictions in the next 4 years as he exercises his plan for revenge.


Again, absolutely no appreciation of how much this has been and is a shared problem. Do you really think the left is 'clean'? Do you really think, within the Establishment, there is a nice clear demarcation between the white hats and the black hats?

It's just as evident, this bizarre and preening self-delusion, among the media. Look at Emily Maitliss - a cynical two-stage election night self-advert posing as passionate journalism: first she launches into a pre-rehearsed attack on Boris Johnson, then 'inexplicably' for the experienced broadcaster she keeps saying she is, she starts swearing until she's kicked off the screen. Ooh, what a rebel. Trebles all round: she's celebrated as 'one of us,' one of those shouty North London professionals who rage at the stupidity of the masses.

Until the 'enlightened' minority finally learn some lessons, actually start acquiring a sliver of humility, and begin treating politics as a discipline and a duty instead of some silly self-serving game, there will be more of the same.
 
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#250741
hedda

Re:Trump wins 8 Months, 4 Weeks ago  
Downing Street Cat wrote:
JK2006 wrote:
Good winner's speech - typically Trump; breaking all the PR media rules, just being his rambling bonkers self. It will be interesting to see how his Presidency unfolds - will he, as I hope, destroy the false allegations industry and will the rest of the world follow his example? Will he stop Israel's madness in Gaza and Lebanon? Will he help the Rohingya? Will he persuade Putin to leave Ukraine? We shall see. Trump has been a cheerleader for the false allegations industry. He literally gloated over Weinstein. And his own false allegations of democrats rigging the system. The man has a phobia of the truth. If anything there will be a plague of false convictions in the next 4 years as he exercises his plan for revenge.


amazed anyone thinks Trump would give a flying sh*t about false accusations.

Can he pardon himself?
 
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#250742
Rick

Re:Trump wins 8 Months, 4 Weeks ago  
JK2006 wrote:
Lesson learned. In this Century - keep it simple.

That isn't the issue. Both groups kept it simple. One group said: 'We can fix it'. The other said, 'Don't vote for him'.

Simplicity isn't the problem. Content is the problem. And conviction. And constructive, coherent, realistic but appealing policies.

Of course Trump won't fix anything, other than maybe one or two pending personal legal problems, but that isn't the point. Ask the average voter what Starmer was 'for' in the last election and they won't know; they just know he wasn't for Johnson or Sunak or indeed Corbyn. Ask what Harris was for and you'll get the same sort of response: they just know she wasn't for Trump. That's it.

Politics, these last couple of decades, has been reduced to either wild and simplistic promises or the opposition to wild and simplistic promises. That's it. 'We can fix it' or 'They can't fix it'.

All the Democrats did when Trump was first in power was use the courts and the media to try to get him out of power. No re-thinking of policy, no development of new strategy, no work on re-engaging with the broad population. Nothing but that. They've behaved like some ritzy Manhattan housing committee trying to rid themselves of an unsuitable resident.

Ultimately, whether you use TV, Twitter, podcasts, rallies, voodoo, the power of prayer, you name it - you need real substance. And that is now lacking on BOTH sides, not just one. And only the winners seem to know it.
 
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#250753
hedda

Re:Trump wins 8 Months, 4 Weeks ago  
Biden still holds the record for the largest ever vote and Trump's was down this time compared to 2020.

But the Democrat vote was well down. I had a feeling that the USA will never elect a woman as president.

# I was also very wary of the Latino vote..they are conservative and riddled with machismo and are misogynist. Wonder if they'll be deported in huge numbers as Trump has promised along with Muslims?

Still..amazing how Trump time and time again said the vote was being rigged yet remarkably, not a peep about now.
 
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#250754
Re:Trump wins 8 Months, 4 Weeks ago  
Leaving aside whether it's a good or bad thing (I don't think Presidents have much power - like Prime Ministers). And whether or not you like Trump and his policies (I don't). And why he won (better campaign and far better use of media). We now have to live with it, like we have to live with Starmer (why is he still a free man?).
 
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