I've met his Dad and they seem to me a very decent family. It was an awful tragedy. But I do worry about restricting freedom of expression by anyone. And the BBC bowing instantly to the tabloids is always frightening. Ditto the government, prison service, probation.
If this guy is glorifying his behaviour - yes - punish him. But don't use words like "shameless" until you've investigated properly (which, I suspect, they haven't). Don't recall someone until you're sure they have breached conditions. Just because the Sun tells you they have - check first (as Probation did when the News of the World claimed I was "ogling children" in the park - and they found the photos had been doctored).
And my main worry - radio and other programming should depend on the quality and appeal of the content. Nothing else.
"Righteous indignation" is great for promotion. Outrage gets ratings.
But depth of thought and examination often finds both extremes are wrong.

JK2006 wrote:
I've met his Dad and they seem to me a very decent family. It was an awful tragedy. But I do worry about restricting freedom of expression by anyone. And the BBC bowing instantly to the tabloids is always frightening. Ditto the government, prison service, probation.
If this guy is glorifying his behaviour - yes - punish him. But don't use words like "shameless" until you've investigated properly (which, I suspect, they haven't). Don't recall someone until you're sure they have breached conditions. Just because the Sun tells you they have - check first (as Probation did when the News of the World claimed I was "ogling children" in the park - and they found the photos had been doctored).
And my main worry - radio and other programming should depend on the quality and appeal of the content. Nothing else.
"Righteous indignation" is great for promotion. Outrage gets ratings.
But depth of thought and examination often finds both extremes are wrong. The day the tabloids stop using headline grabbing words will be the day the tabloids don't exist. It's coming.

BBC won't play tribal power hits by Glitter. BBC need to do their homework on artists.

Green Man wrote:
BBC won't play tribal power hits by Glitter. BBC need to do their homework on artists.

They won't even say Glitter's name aloud on BBC radio anymore, yet they will play a child killer on the BBC and probably knew of his other sick lyrics even if they didn't play those ones. There are no excuses for lack of research and doing your homework in this day and age.

The bigger question is why are the BBC putting out such obscene recorded material over the airwaves that glorifies this horrible culture of guns, knives, murder and all round violence and giving it all a voice? There should be a blanket ban on the lot of it, and the BBC loves to ban things and has a rich history of doing so. They get touchy about so much yet leave this stuff alone. Why? Is it similar fear of racism like with the grooming gangs issue, but for radio output instead?

Rich wrote:
Green Man wrote:
BBC won't play tribal power hits by Glitter. BBC need to do their homework on artists.

They won't even say Glitter's name aloud on BBC radio anymore, yet they will play a child killer on the BBC and probably knew of his other sick lyrics even if they didn't play those ones. There are no excuses for lack of research and doing your homework in this day and age.

The bigger question is why are the BBC putting out such obscene recorded material over the airwaves that glorifies this horrible culture of guns, knives, murder and all round violence and giving it all a voice? There should be a blanket ban on the lot of it, and the BBC loves to ban things and has a rich history of doing so. They get touchy about so much yet leave this stuff alone. Why? Is it similar fear of racism like with the grooming gangs issue, but for radio output instead?

Ditto Rich,

People love to play Dumb when they get caught out.
Of course the BBC knew.

The chavvy DJ probably thought the lyrics were the best thing since The Kinks album -Give the People What They Want.

(Which is a very underrated Kinks Album with clever lyrics.)


What worries me Rich is that the BBC will be funded by general taxation, meaning everyone will have to fund it if they want to or not. Fucking scumbags.

I wouldn't ban this awful and silly music I would respond with the most powerful counter - satirise it.

Make them look silly.

Wyot wrote:
I wouldn't ban this awful and silly music I would respond with the most powerful counter - satirise it.

Make them look silly.



When you made this comment I immediately thought of the Barron Knights. I don't even think they could have satirised some of this objectionable garbage, do you.

How would you satirise it exactly?

The bigger question is why this kind of stuff seems to hold such an appeal to those who make it and consume it. Why did rap turn nasty? It's a universe away from the Sugarhill Gang.

Looking hip hop has always been edgy but never glorified murder. I loved Public Enemy in my youth and their lyrics rang true even for the White man.

Rich wrote:
[quote]Wyot wrote:


How would you satirise it exactly?



Oh gosh Rich the nastier the subject (so the more extreme) the easier.

Look at Chaplin taking on Hitler in The Great Dictator. The common demoninator is: Hitler and drill music "artists" take themselves VERY seriously; which is feeding time for the satirist...

Your invitation to "exactly" say how I would do it is well meant, but I would need paying...

Ironically, Hitler loved that Chaplin movie according to historians.

Okay Wyot, I'll pay you in complements and let you get on with it.

The Chaplin one is a good point but that film was made in 1940 and I don't think Hollywood, or many others, were quite aware just the depths of evil that were going on at the time such as the true horrors of the holocaust but obviously that film was playing to Hitler's personality first and foremost I think. A long time since I've seen it, must check it out again. Although we've got Hitler's protege to watch as of today in real time to satirise now, as I satirise those who make such claims.

To be fair Rich, many celebrities have or had no idea about the real world. Hollywood is very dark, creepy, satanic dodgy as fuck. Look into suspicious homicides in the industry.

It's interesting to read the Hollywood blacklist and Hannah Weinstein who founded Sapphire Films, who were behind the Richard Greene - Robin Hood series.

Saturday Night Live has always been a propaganda machine, Chevy Chase admits this.