It's a great idea - the USA move in, rebuild, find and arrest HAMAS, set up a democratic election process, then leave. Except - it should be United Nations. And I think his plan is to remove Palestinians, abandon the two state solution which MUST exist. Israel and Palestine - equal; neighbours; peaceful.

Both sides really want ONE country - from rivers to sea. NO! Two countries. Two sets of people - each deserve safe and peaceful territories.

Netanyahu is even worse than Trump.

All this will do is reignite the war and cause further pain and suffering to Palestinians, and it's a land grab of monstrous proportions, along with proposals for a complete takeover of the West Bank by Israel. And of course should the US military become involved in this illegal move, the future is bleak for the entire region and the world. Should the wealthy Westerners buy the plush coastal apartments in Costa del Gaza, I for one will cheer to the heavens if they are blown to kingdom come.

I wonder whose idea this actually was, Trump's or Netanyahu's. Could a wily Netanyahu have dropped hints in Trump's ear and allowed Trump to think it was his own idea? Which one is smarter?

It doesn't sound from what Trump said as if there'd be any intention to allow Palestinians back after they'd been cleared out (and how would unwilling Arab states be forced to take them in?) - assuming they could even afford Trump-owned (?) luxury (?) apartments in Gaza. He said the plan would create jobs for people in the surrounding area, which sounds like Israelis.

If the US can take over Gaza, then surely this means that Russia can take over Ukraine, the Baltic States, etc., and China can take over Taiwan.

Yes it should be NATO (with the USA) taking over, rebuilding, returning hostages and arresting Hamas (vital) and overseeing a democratic election (which could, sadly, mean Hamas getting elected again but with a PEACE agenda).

Downing Street Cat wrote:
All this will do is reignite the war and cause further pain and suffering to Palestinians, and it's a land grab of monstrous proportions, along with proposals for a complete takeover of the West Bank by Israel. And of course should the US military become involved in this illegal move, the future is bleak for the entire region and the world. Should the wealthy Westerners buy the plush coastal apartments in Costa del Gaza, I for one will cheer to the heavens if they are blown to kingdom come.

Instead of typing on a keyboard you could always go over there Cat and try and sort it out.

The Canaanites lived in Southern Levant, so let give it all back to the descendants.

The Canaanites followed a Pagan religion, probably the first religion to be concepted.

However both Jews and Palestine share DNA from the Canaanites, they are pretty much blood related.

The German word for Trump's "plan" is Lebensraum.

It's a War Crime. We call it genocide.

How anyone can find anything positive about this lunatic is bizarre.

I find posters casual acceptance of this madman's daily changing pronouncements weird.

It's not going to happen quite like that so calm down.

But what I heard Trump saying about the lovely coastal nature of the location and the possibilities of what this area could actually look like without all this destructive, tribal idiotic never ending nonsense going on was perfectly true. It could be a marvellous thriving holiday destination (like Morocco!) attracting vast inward investment and wealth.

But what do these terrorists like Hamas really want? Never ending conflict with their neighbour, that's what, even if they got their two state solution or everything they want, they'd still be terorists and keen to radicalise the next generation to the same old ways.

Trump may say many things in a provocative, even explosive way sometimes, like this, but if you drill baby drill down into what he really means you often find he's talking a remarkable amount of common sense but of course many hear the first words out of his mouth and immediately start hyperventilating.

TDS is a real mental condition Rich.

Rich wrote:
It's not going to happen quite like that so calm down.

But what I heard Trump saying about the lovely coastal nature of the location and the possibilities of what this area could actually look like without all this destructive, tribal idiotic never ending nonsense going on was perfectly true. It could be a marvellous thriving holiday destination (like Morocco!) attracting vast inward investment and wealth.

But what do these terrorists like Hamas really want? Never ending conflict with their neighbour, that's what, even if they got their two state solution or everything they want, they'd still be terorists and keen to radicalise the next generation to the same old ways.

Trump may say many things in a provocative, even explosive way sometimes, like this, but if you drill baby drill down into what he really means you often find he's talking a remarkable amount of common sense but of course many hear the first words out of his mouth and immediately start hyperventilating.

Hamas retaliated due to decades of aggressive tactics by Israel. So you would be perfectly okay to allow a country to bomb the crap out of you, and then have some Real Estate maniac tell you to stop whining and get the hell out and let us make it into a playground for the wealthy by the sea? And that all adds up as to you as even a miniscule cup of fair minded thinking? Maybe Hitler said the same about Poland? Ukraine is up for grabs. And hey China? What are you waiting for? Take Taiwan.

A lot of people just aren't intelligent enough to understand Trump's deeper meanings, Rich.

From BBC rolling coverage, 16.59:

Trump's proposal gives Palestinians hope, US diplomat says

Let's hear some more from Donald Trump's Middle East envoy, Steve Witkoff, who shares a real estate background with the president.

Speaking to Fox News on Tuesday, Witkoff says Gaza is a "dangerous place to live today" and argues that the president's plan was about giving Palestinians "hope".

"A better life is not necessarily tied to the physical space that you're in today," he said, adding that "a better life is about better opportunity, better financial conditions, better aspirations for you and your family."

"That doesn't occur because you get to pitch a tent in the Gaza Strip and you're surrounded by 30,000 munitions that could go off at any moment," he added.

According to Witkoff, Trump is saying "let's make it better for these people" and "if there are different places for them to live, let them make that choice".
Steven Charles Witkoff (born March 15, 1957) is an American billionaire real estate investor and developer, attorney, and philanthropist, who serves as the United States Special Envoy to the Middle East. He is the founder and chairman of the Witkoff Group. He began his career as a real estate attorney, before transitioning to property investment and development. His notable acquisitions include the Daily News Building, the Woolworth Building, 33 Maiden Lane, and the Park Lane Hotel in Manhattan. ...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Witkoff
I'm probably being thick, but it seems to me that Trump and Witkoff may be hoping to make a few cents by owing Gaza and having the Palestinians "live happily elsewhere". And of course Netanyahu has been completely misunderstood by the inveterately thick and knee-jerk reactors and also wants what's best for the Palestinians.

It's called ethnic cleansing in the real world and the casual acceptance of so many that an entire nation of a million and a half Palestinians should be removed from their homeland on the whims of an American president is alarming.

I say accept them in your own bloody homes if that's the case.

The sheer arrogance of demanding Egypt or Jordon just absorb an entire race of people because Trump demands it, is astonishing.

If there were any justice in this world, the USA having provided the bombs to destroy Gaza, would re-build it for Palestinians.

It was so obvious Trump & Netanyahu were cooking up something before the election. Clearing out The West Bank is on the cards as well.

As for Hamas, the USA and Israel have ensured there will be 100,000s of future members and that Americans will forever be unsafe traveling in the ME.

And for once Starmer has said the correct thing.

I still think there are elements of brilliance in Trump's plan.
It may allow the ceasefire to continue.
Netanyahu clearly believes Trump will remove Palestinians from Gaza.
But he won't. Americans, supported by the United Nations, will move in and rebuild Gaza. Will get every single hostage released. Will probably NOT arrest Hamas leaders but most have died anyway.
Palestinians will NOT leave Gaza.
Millions of volunteers from ALL countries will rebuild Gaza (yes, probably including a few Trump luxury resort hotels - good luck to him).
Most will urge citizens of Gaza never to vote for Hamas again (many WILL, especially the young, but many more will go for a more moderate regime that supports Israel - AND Palestine).
The UN (and USA) will declare Palestine a legitimate state. Protected, like Israel, from invasion or terror.
Backed by Egypt, Jordan, Saudi, Lebanon. And the new Syria.
Netanyahu will be allowed to live silent and lonely but free in one of his palaces.
Liberal Israel will be supported, traded with, backed as lomg as they accept Palestine.
That is my hope. I may be foolish but it would make SOOO much sense and if Trump has persuaded Netanyahooo to accept the future HE sees, good for the orange monster.

If Trump can afford to build Trump Tower 2 on Gaza, then surely he can dig deeper and rehouse all the Palestinians in the USA? Oh? Thought not. You're on yer own Gazans. Now just get out. There's good poor folk. Yes, we know it's your land, but Trump knows best.

I think you're dreaming JK of an imaginary world that will never happen

Trump's chaotic decisions after 2 weeks including threatening Canada & Mexico with tariffs but that was bungled and fell apart but with Mexico and Canada graciously allowing Trump to think he won some of concessions on border control.

This imaginary resort will never happen. Dubia has already created a new Riviera.
But of course off the beaches of Gaza lye 1000s of $Billions in oil and gas which is the real prize.

Where Palestinians relocated to the deserts of Egypt and Jordon who cannot hold more would just mean more war.

It's notable the Saudi Arabia will not support Jarad Krusher's property 'empire plan and I doubt the tens of 1000s of US troops needed to guard Gaza would be popua wirh Americans.

All another Trump pipe dream.

Meanwhile in the real world ..has President Musk on his rampages thru the US government noticed that Tesla sales are absolutely plummeting around the world , in many countries to unsunstainably levels

Musk's alleged wealth is Tesla shares and Space Ex and for the "world's richest"his borrowing against those shares is huge. Of course he receives huge payments but I believe the size of his exaggerated and that the richest man on earth is Vlad Putin.

I so hope that Hedda and I are wrong but I think Trump on this one simply risks escalating things.

We all know the way Trump works. Hating him for some things cannot mean we hate him for everything. He has stopped the killing in Gaza. He should not (and will not) expel Palestinians from their homes (indeed, he should expel Zionist settlers from land they invaded). If the USA links with United Nations and volunteers to rebuild Gaza - great. If anyone - Trump, Netanyahu, Hamas - tries to claim ownership - NO. It is owned by Gazans.

JK2006 wrote:
We all know the way Trump works. Hating him for some things cannot mean we hate him for everything. He has stopped the killing in Gaza. He should not (and will not) expel Palestinians from their homes (indeed, he should expel Zionist settlers from land they invaded). If the USA links with United Nations and volunteers to rebuild Gaza - great. If anyone - Trump, Netanyahu, Hamas - tries to claim ownership - NO. It is owned by Gazans.

Trump is a poor communicator, despite the bravado and showmanship. A mind in chaos and confusion, he speaks on impulse and then someone else has to think it all through for him, and then it's a sanitised version of what he said the day before. But yes, no-one is being killed in Gaza since he took office. So we can hope he didn't actually mean boots on the ground in Greenland, Canada, Panama.

hedda wrote:
It's called ethnic cleansing in the real world and the casual acceptance of so many that an entire nation of a million and a half Palestinians should be removed from their homeland on the whims of an American president is alarming.

I say accept them in your own bloody homes if that's the case.

The sheer arrogance of demanding Egypt or Jordon just absorb an entire race of people because Trump demands it, is astonishing.

If there were any justice in this world, the USA having provided the bombs to destroy Gaza, would re-build it for Palestinians.

It was so obvious Trump & Netanyahu were cooking up something before the election. Clearing out The West Bank is on the cards as well.

As for Hamas, the USA and Israel have ensured there will be 100,000s of future members and that Americans will forever be unsafe traveling in the ME.

And for once Starmer has said the correct thing.Downing Street Cat wrote:
If Trump can afford to build Trump Tower 2 on Gaza, then surely he can dig deeper and rehouse all the Palestinians in the USA? Oh? Thought not. You're on yer own Gazans. Now just get out. There's good poor folk. Yes, we know it's your land, but Trump knows best.
I've been thinking exactly the same. The irony will be lost on him that on the one hand he's expelling as many immigrants from the USA as possible and on the other wants to dump the Palestinians on Jordan and Egypt. Why shouldn't the USA take them in? It does smack of extreme arrogance and of considering people as nothing but pawns to be pushed around.

You see to me it sounds like one of his extreme boasts (like 25% tariffs on Canada and Mexico) knowing they will agree to let in thousands of US soldiers and volunteers to help rebuild whilst the 50% homeless stay with the 50% undamaged homes until new housing/hospitals etc open. Benefit of the doubt? Let's see.

An horrendous war crime of ethnic cleansing so easily accepted by those who know better but I believe are either oblivious to the the past or don't giver a stuff,

The preposterous notion there could be a Trump Tower is lunacy as that Hotel Worker serving you room service turns out to be a Hamas member

The Arab world will unite over this is if fears it's will be commandeered by Trump.

Chances are it will never happen for 100s reasons but it's exposed the casual racists who are lapping it it.