I have no idea whether steel tariffs and other taxes are a good or bad idea but a President pushing these things through without bothering for votes in Congress etc makes huge sense to me. The stupid blocks worldwide in democracies have caused hundreds of blockages. They voted for him, good or bad, and America needs four years of radical changes because of Democracy. Like it or not, good for him.

JK2006 wrote:
I have no idea whether steel tariffs and other taxes are a good or bad idea but a President pushing these things through without bothering for votes in Congress etc makes huge sense to me. The stupid blocks worldwide in democracies have caused hundreds of blockages. They voted for him, good or bad, and America needs four years of radical changes because of Democracy. Like it or not, good for him.

Executive Orders have never ever been an order supreme in that sense. Congress and the Senate have always had the power to override them or question them and re-negotiate. No president has supreme power for Christ sake. It's the foundation of how the Republic works (or used to)

Tariff wars = no-one wins.

Trump "buying Gaza". Displacing nearly 2 million residents. Used to be called a War Crime and one they hanged Nazis for at Nuremberg.

What next- a theme park t Auswitch (Musk to Germans: "stop thinking about the past")

A Riviera built over the 100,000s of Palestinian bodies and tens of 1000s of murdered children?

People who profess to believe in Karma might have something to say about that but maybe not.


Hannah Arendt's books on the "banality of evil" should be required reading when it's happening before your eyes.

hedda wrote:
JK2006 wrote:
I have no idea whether steel tariffs and other taxes are a good or bad idea but a President pushing these things through without bothering for votes in Congress etc makes huge sense to me. The stupid blocks worldwide in democracies have caused hundreds of blockages. They voted for him, good or bad, and America needs four years of radical changes because of Democracy. Like it or not, good for him.

Executive Orders have never ever been an order supreme in that sense. Congress and the Senate have always had the power to override them or question them and re-negotiate. No president has supreme power for Christ sake. It's the foundation of how the Republic works (or used to)

Tariff wars = no-one wins.

Trump "buying Gaza". Displacing nearly 2 million residents. Used to be called a War Crime and one they hanged Nazis for at Nuremberg.

What next- a theme park t Auswitch (Musk to Germans: "stop thinking about the past")

A Riviera built over the 100,000s of Palestinian bodies and tens of 1000s of murdered children?

People who profess to believe in Karma might have something to say about that but maybe not.


Hannah Arendt's books on the "banality of evil" should be required reading when it's happening before your eyes.

Yes but Hedda, Taylor Swift is evil. Defies all belief what I've been seeing today. Tariffs are not only punishing other countries, it in turn punishes his own. It only makes sense if you understand he hates everyone.

The banality of evil indeed Hedda. People rarely look like "monsters" as described in the media. Look at Pol Pot!

Whenever I have seen films depicting the holocaust and the day to day crimes against humanity committed by people who murdered hundreds or thousands so casually with their own hands during that period, I think about how their lives would have been without that war and Nazism and the horrors, and that these deeply evil people manning concentration camps and shooting, starving, hanging vast numbers of innocent people, set aside from the gassing itself, that these same people without that situation would in all likelihood have lived mundane law abiding suburban lives across Germany. It's quite frightening when you realise this and the darkness that was unleashed in a previously civilised advanced European nation in the modern 20th century era.

I do not believe Trump or America has any parallels whatsoever though and those using the fascist, nazi or Hitler word at Trump should be mocked for stupid hysterics and overplaying their hand quite wildly.

hedda wrote:
[quote]JK2006 wrote:


Hannah Arendt's books on the "banality of evil" should be required reading when it's happening before your eyes.

Spot on Hedda and they are great reads. Or should I say I hope you are NOT spot on and that what is happening will not follow that trajectory (I know it can be argued it already has but I am not quite over the line yet). However, I am far from convinced by any Trump apologist - on here - or anywhere.

I admit I know nothing about Executive Orders or the US process Hedda but they are saying the increased steel tariffs go up to 25% from 10% on the 12th of next month.
I find things like this not only boring but occupying thought space I have no room for. But it's inevitable that a new President will change direction and seems odd to deny him that right even if we disagree with it.

From BBC rolling coverage, 14:27:

If Gazans come we will die, Jordanian labourer says

Maher Azazi, 60, was moved from Jabalia in the Gaza Strip to Gaza camp, in Jordan, as a toddler - 57 years later he is still living at the camp set up as an "emergency" settlement for Palestinians in 1968.

Some of the fiercest opponents of moving Gazans to Jordan are the Gazans who moved here before, BBC's Lucy Williamson writes.

Despite the devastation there, Azazi says Gazans today have learned the lessons of previous generations and most "would rather jump into the sea than leave".

"Donald Trump is an arrogant narcissist," he tells the BBC. "He has a mentality from the Middle Ages, the mentality of a tradesman."

We also heard from Hassan, a Jordanian labourer who says Jordan used to thrive, but after the wars in Syria, and now Gaza, "things got worse... because we're a country that helps and takes people in".

"I have no money, no food," he says. "If Gazans come, we will die."
www.bbc.com/news/live/c2056vkpkrgt

I thought they hated America Jo, it's just the U.S. taxpayers they money love?