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While I can have no idea what did or did not happen to her as a teen, if she was trafficked and abused, this might be a reason for her current behaviours. She is clearly a troubled soul. And to that extent I hope she can sort herself out.
Of course, she may have always been a troubled soul and has done a terrible injustice to Andy.
But I think people should pause before rushing to judgment. Her current behaviours don't "prove" anything other than she displays troubled behaviours.
Indeed, I don't know how others even arrive at a judgment in these kind of cases.
(And I would argue the reverse about judging Andrew as well).
This seems the only reasonable position to me; anything else is just bringing our own stories and biases to the already biased media coverage.
Wyot wrote: While I can have no idea what did or did not happen to her as a teen, if she was trafficked and abused, this might be a reason for her current behaviours. She is clearly a troubled soul.
I'm not an expert on mental illness or personality disorders, but I suspect that calculated lying for a purpose is less a mental illness issue than a character/personality issue.
Jo wrote: Wyot wrote: While I can have no idea what did or did not happen to her as a teen, if she was trafficked and abused, this might be a reason for her current behaviours. She is clearly a troubled soul.
I'm not an expert on mental illness or personality disorders, but I suspect that calculated lying for a purpose is less a mental illness issue than a character/personality issue.
I'm no expert either Jo but I read that personality disorders commonly develop in late adolescence/early adulthood.
Early adulthood would fit into timeframes of the trafficking/abuse, if it happened. So far as I can see therefore her personality issues could have wholly or partly resulted from abuse. Or not.
No I suspect (and I know nothing) that something happened in childhood setting her on the road to prostitution. And then it dawned on her there were simple, better ways to make money (remember she trained to be a "masseuse" in Thailand - I've met many of them). She is a textbook example of a false accuser, assisted, of course, by lawyers.
JK2006 wrote: No I suspect (and I know nothing) that something happened in childhood setting her on the road to prostitution. And then it dawned on her there were simple, better ways to make money (remember she trained to be a "masseuse" in Thailand - I've met many of them). She is a textbook example of a false accuser, assisted, of course, by lawyers.
It certainly does make one wonder how a young person ends up in the position she was, I agree with that.
Re:Latest on the appalling Giuffre 2 Weeks, 6 Days ago
Can't read this as it's behind a paywall. But it sounds as if she may now be claiming to be the victim of a Diana-style media pursuit as justification for telling the reporters to "f... off" and giving them the middle finger.
‘Unsafe’: Giuffre’s reps open up about Daily Mail pursuit
Virginia Giuffre’s reps reveal what happened during the Daily Mail’s pursuit of the sex trafficking victim, just days after her release from hospital.
Re:Latest on the appalling Giuffre 2 Weeks, 5 Days ago
hedda wrote: Comments in the Mail are very savage about her with virtually none in support. And with 100s of up ticks.
Always thought Andrew was foolosh to settle with her,
Alan Dershowitz thinks Prince Andrew shouldn't have settled. He also seems to think that she had sex with Prince Andrew, which is odd given that he said her allegations against himself were completely bogus.
Article is behind a paywall, but if you keep refreshing the page, you can read it. Apparently Giuffre's spokeswoman had been, as I suspected, likening the Mail's reporters' approach to the pursuit of Princess Diana.
... Our team of journalists was on the ground in Western Australia after the Jeffrey Epstein sex trafficking victim's Instagram post sent shockwaves around the world.
But, proving the old saying that you make your own luck in life, the Mail's reporters were left stunned when Giuffre quite literally pulled up alongside them at a feed store, north of Perth, about 4.30pm.
Before senior reporter Stephen Gibbs could even approach Giuffre - whose injuries were not immediately obvious - she lashed out, sticking up her middle finger and telling our team to 'get the f*** out of here'.
Our photographer took some photos from his car and Giuffre did not give us a chance to speak to her further. Giuffre's car, driven by her brother Danny Wilson, drove off into the distance without any further incident and our pictures of her rude gesture went around the world.
Then Giuffre's 'full service' public relations agent Dini von Mueffling went into damage control, fashioning a version of events that simply had no basis in reality.
Von Mueffling found a willing audience in the tabloids at News Corp Australia, especially Sydney's Daily Telegraph run by editor Ben English, which had been so comprehensively scooped on the Giuffre story over the past fortnight that they figured their only chance for an 'exclusive' would be to smear their betters.
What the Mail had pulled off in doing their journalistic legwork was like what the paparazzi had done to Princess Di! von Mueffling gasped to News Corp lackeys.
Von Mueffling claimed that, in scenes reminiscent of an action movie, Giuffre had been followed to the feed store by the Mail's reporters.
Then, she was pinned down by our team who 'refused to move their car out of the way' - blocking her path to a lonely country road.
Then they had brazenly ignore requests to leave the feed store's car park and had gone on to 'breach' Giuffre's property!
Excuse us?
We know you're basically an eyewitness, von Mueffling, given you are approximately 18,450km away in New York City.
But there was no exciting pursuit of Giuffre and no blocking of the car. Giuffre literally pulled up next to our team.
Nothing 'unsafe' or 'disturbing' occurred (except, perhaps, Giuffre screaming an obscenity). And there was no traffic, unless you're counting tumbleweeds. ...
Re:Latest on the appalling Giuffre 2 Weeks, 2 Days ago
It's laughable that the tabloids clearly have no idea how to cover this and seem to be hoping that it just fades away - unlike the dogged way they've pursued other such stories. They appear so afraid of being accused of insensitivity towards her that they just leave their reports without any coherent narrative. Was she in an accident? Was she injured as she claimed? Was she given four days to live? Why even cover the story in the first place if you are that terrified of writing the 'wrong' thing?
Re:Latest on the appalling Giuffre 2 Weeks, 2 Days ago
Yes it's not just the tabloids. Even Social Media is frightened. They HAVE to cover it (it's a great story about a media manufactured "superstar") but the holes in the story are now so clear and the ramifications stunning. Like Starmer as DPP suddenly finding as PM he's put himself up as a target.
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