About Trump. (In some respects).

Watching his visible anger, frustation and upset at Israel and Iran pissing about with the ceasefire - "they have been fighting so long they don't know what the fuck they are doing!" - I think perhaps all he does want is peace.

I don't think this is about getting Iranian oil - the easy go-to of the left for everything.

I think (perhaps) he bombed Iranian nuclear plants because he thought this was the best chance of stopping the escalating horrors.

Cowing Iran, and leaving Israel no breathing space to claim it needs to bomb Iran to stop the nuclear programme.

Let us hope it works.

I think many others (like me) who strongly disagree with Trump feel the same. His use of the word FUCK was natural and right and came across as totally genuine. Media has howled of course. I was impressed.

JK2006 wrote:
I think many others (like me) who strongly disagree with Trump feel the same. His use of the word FUCK was natural and right and came across as totally genuine. Media has howled of course. I was impressed.

Yes, and I was also impressed that he didn't fall for Israel's bullshit regarding Iran's one solitary rocket that they intercepted anyway. Relieved too. I really did think Netanyahu was playing him. The only thing that surprises me is that Israel haven't accused him of Antisemitism.

The bombs in Iran and Israel have killed people and it's an abomination.

And with the focus off Gaza dreadful murders of Palestinians have been happening with people killed as they line up for the pittance of food they can get.

Never forget: Trump in his first term tore up the Iran nuclear deal for no logical or stated reason

That deal had been happening since 2015 & was made between Iran & the UN Security Council including China, Germany, France, Russia, the United Kingdom, & the US.

It allowed Iran to refine Uranium to well below the amount needed to make nuclear weapons but enough to use for things like medical purposes.

The UN had cameras in all of Iran's nuclear sites plus independent UN observers and experts permanently on the ground at all of Iran's nuclear sites..

Iran has stuck to that deal until Trump tore it up for no fucking reason except to probably help Israel in
their endless quest to obliterate Iran.

Trump is no hero in this deadly war that has killed 100s of people. He's the frigging reason it happened.

Trump is directly responsible for 100s of deaths as is Netanyahu.

To somehow praise him now when he caused the problem in the first place is an insult to the dead.

Agree completely Hedda. But at least, at least, he did stop Israel from another abominable bombing raid on Iran this week, and refused to allow them to break the ceasefire, which would of taken the region and world to the brink. Regarding Gaza he's been hopeless and has handed it to Israel on a silver platter. But maybe, the tide might turn? But with Trump you don't know how his mind works.

Downing Street Cat wrote:
JK2006 wrote:
I think many others (like me) who strongly disagree with Trump feel the same. His use of the word FUCK was natural and right and came across as totally genuine. Media has howled of course. I was impressed.

Yes, and I was also impressed that he didn't fall for Israel's bullshit regarding Iran's one solitary rocket that they intercepted anyway. Relieved too. I really did think Netanyahtu was playing him. The only thing that surprises me is that Israel haven't accused him of Antisemitism.


Do watch this Cat, I have placed an order on the couple of books mentioned at the end. Israel do know how to make business from tragedy. Trump will never win over the the media and Deep State.

hedda wrote:


To somehow praise him now when he caused the problem in the first place is an insult to the dead.

If this is directed wholly or partly at me Hedda I would note that my post speculated on Trump's motivation for bombing Iran, not on whether he should have done so.

There is no praise of Trump in my post; just a reflection that I and others may have been too cynical about what motivates him.

I loathe him too; but loathing makes us blind to the full person.

Wyot wrote, "I don't think this is about getting Iranian oil - the easy go-to of the left for everything."

Too easy to go past the root cause of everything. In 1951, Iran's Prime Minister Mosaddegh nationalized Iran's oil industry which was largely controlled by a British corporation the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company. Britain and close ally United States then and now were concerned about the nationalization of anything in foreign lands which they could not control. And they orchestrated a joint coup known as 'Operation Ajax' by the CIA and Operation Boot by MI6, which successfully overthrew Mosaddegh's government and restored the Shah to power. Until the 1979 revolution rightly returned Iran's interests to Iran.

www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/the%20centr...20%5B15369853%5D.pdf

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/02/mi...ast-and-the-cover-up

Wyot wrote:
hedda wrote:


To somehow praise him now when he caused the problem in the first place is an insult to the dead.

If this is directed wholly or partly at me Hedda I would note that my post speculated on Trump's motivation for bombing Iran, not on whether he should have done so.

There is no praise of Trump in my post; just a reflection that I and others may have been too cynical about what motivates him.

I loathe him too; but loathing makes us blind to the full person.

No WYOT not at you. To be honest I don't always fully read other's posts.

And lets not forget Joe Biden who had 4 years to re-activate the Iranian Nuclear deal but did sod all.

Really Trump is solving a problem he created in the first place but Biden shares as much blame.

ForBalance wrote:
Wyot wrote, "I don't think this is about getting Iranian oil - the easy go-to of the left for everything."

Too easy to go past the root cause of everything. In 1951, Iran's Prime Minister Mosaddegh nationalized Iran's oil industry which was largely controlled by a British corporation the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company. Britain and close ally United States then and now were concerned about the nationalization of anything in foreign lands which they could not control. And they orchestrated a joint coup known as 'Operation Ajax' by the CIA and Operation Boot by MI6, which successfully overthrew Mosaddegh's government and restored the Shah to power. Until the 1979 revolution rightly returned Iran's interests to Iran.

www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/the%20centr...20%5B15369853%5D.pdf

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/02/mi...ast-and-the-cover-up

Well "Balance" I did not write that oil is never a motivating factor in these cases, I simply said it is the all too easy go to of the left.

And Trump's response seemed to me, as JK notes, very natural. He seems pissed off with the lot of them and appears to want peace.

If I had written that "oil is never a motive for foreign intervention" your response would have been apt.

As it stands, my old sausage, you are just arguing with yourself...

hedda wrote:
[quote]Wyot wrote:
[quote]hedda wrote:


No WYOT not at you. To be honest I don't always fully read other's posts.



Thanks for clarifying Hedda.

Wyot wrote, "As it stands, my old sausage, you are just arguing with yourself..."

No argument, just missing context for our old fake media 'sausage' factory.

Don't believe everything the CIA publish. They are experts at deflection, distraction and MK Ultra. We know the CIA were behind Operating Mockingbird, fake record labels and drug running. (Boy's on the tracks)

www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/0979189659/ref=...750944034&sr=8-4