I have no idea whether she was good or bad at her job but all this stupid over reaction has to stop. We shall never get decent government if we keep allowing the media to run their lives. Exaggerating the breach, inflating the outrage and righteous indignation, who cares? Who cares - except Labour haters. Like last time around - Tory haters. GROW UP Parliament, media and the public. If she's bad at her job - fire her. If she's not, keep her. OK - great excuse (minesterial code). But we all know it's a different level - paying a few quid less than she should isn't murdering someone (or failing to sort out the legal situation). I blame the media and those who choose to fall for tiny but inflated outrage. And punters who fall for it. I can't stand Starmer or his set but I would not call for his exit for this. God knows there are enough reasons. You Will Be Believed.

JK2006 wrote:
I have no idea whether she was good or bad at her job but all this stupid over reaction has to stop. We shall never get decent government if we keep allowing the media to run their lives. Exaggerating the breach, inflating the outrage and righteous indignation, who cares? Who cares - except Labour haters. Like last time around - Tory haters. GROW UP Parliament, media and the public. If she's bad at her job - fire her. If she's not, keep her. OK - great excuse (minesterial code). But we all know it's a different level - paying a few quid less than she should isn't murdering someone (or failing to sort out the legal situation). I blame the media and those who choose to fall for tiny but inflated outrage. And punters who fall for it. I can't stand Starmer or his set but I would not call for his exit for this. God knows there are enough reasons. You Will Be Believed.

Agreed JK. Didn't particularly like the woman because she betrayed her own principles, but I'm far more concerned with a Labour government arming a Genocidal maniac to be fair. And I'm struggling to think of an MP who hasn't betrayed their own principles.

This kind of thing has gone on for decades - I remember a US Presidential candidate - Gary Hart? - being cancelled due to something totally unconnected to his abilities - having an affair or something? These minor moral failings are often inflated by opposition into evidence of bad character or whatever, claimed to be proof someone should not get a job, do something important or whatever when they are perfectly capable or even possibly excellent. It's always struck me as bonkers.

I agree it is all a tiresome distraction from the business of effective Government, which they don't seem very good at.

Surely this huge re-shuffle just says to the electorate, quite the opposite from a show of strength, that most people were put in the wrong position in the first place by Starmer?

Indeed. Then all we are left with are talentless numpties. But then again Rayner was soon ready to stab Corbyn in the back,the sides and the front. Starmer too. Pretty certain Corbyn would have stood by Rayner and fought to keep her. Maybe Polanski will invite her over, or to her astonishment Corbyn.

Why are British governments so obsessed about having cabinet reshuffles all the time? No sooner has one been done than the next one is being anticipated and it's got far worse in the past five years. They often say it's about freshening up the government, but it's a shuffle of the same pack. Other countries don't seem to be like this all the time. Reeves will soon be forced out and another major shuffle required. Lammy will have to go as Deputy PM when the new deputy labour leader is picked if it's not him, and suggestions are the left is pushing hard for Emily Thornberry or Dawn Butler. After all, how could Starmer credibly have a deputy party leader not in the deputy PM role? If it was Dawn Butler he might try though.

Rayner going over to Corbyn would be a very tasty development and cause havoc galore that's for sure. Bring it on! It's not going to happen though, she will not leave the Labour party, she may still have leadership aspirations despite what's happened and maybe she's banking on the left helping deliver her the prize at some stage. I doubt it though. To lose the deputy labour leadership and later gain the actual labour leadership would seem an unlikely trajectory. From now on I predict she is more likely to become a media bore invited onto programmes regularly. It wouldn't surprise me to see her given a spot on the almost dead Loose Women in order to try and save that woke rubbish that has alienated most of their once audience. A shame she's just too late for Strictly this year, just wait until next year, you read it here first!

Came to really dislike her after her awful backstabbing of Jeremy Corbyn while pretending to support him.

She also voted for and supported the awful Labour cuts to services/

However this seems to be quite an unfair situation and not one of her making.

She'll re-surface though after a period in the wilderness.

Still another 4 years to go..urghhh.