Labour have STOPPED any discussion on the " LEAKGATE " POLICE STORMTROOPERS

They refuse to discuss the situation until the "police enquiry" is over.

This means effectively the UK IS A POLICE STATE for at least the next 2 months constitutionally because the POLICE now have the power to stop democratic discussion without ANY EVIDENCE at all - and have the right to go into CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION of yours and mine MPs and look at it.

Though many who dont study politics will possibly not understand this - it is effectively the end of a democratic state in the UK - until such time as this issue is discussed by Parliament.

Our MPs have been SILENCED BY JACKBOOT JACQUI.

I can see all opposition parties boycotting PARLIAMENT or resigning their seats - effectively meaning the QUEEN will have to call a general election.

Ensuring that the committee investigation this issue is dominated by Labour MPs does remind me of Mugabe style politics, but I don't think it's quite the end of democracy. We the people still have the power to kick this government out of office. If we have any sense we'll never elect them again. These have been some of the darkest times for Britain since the days of Cromwell.

Al wrote:
If we have any sense we'll never elect them again. These have been some of the darkest times for Britain since the days of Cromwell.

Do NOT forget the 18 years of misery of Thatcher and Major's Tory Governments between 1979 and 1997.

Many said in 1997 when the Tories were ousted that if we had any sense we'd never let the Tories back in.

Unfortunately it's a two horse race here - Tory or Labour and it's looking disturbingly like we will have a Tory government again.

Whichever way we vote, we all lose. We are well and truly f****d.

So much for "democracy" and "choice".

There is no choice.

Conspiracy Theorists dont believe there will be another election in the UK.

If you go to YOU TUBE and search "BRITAIN's LAST CHRISTMAS" you can watch a constitutional conference saying why recent European Agreements have already signed away UK electoral rights.

Others believe that BROWN will organise a "FALSE FLAG" event in order to hold onto emergency powers and lead a Government of "National Unity" a la 1984. This is why the surveillance structure is being put in place ready for this "event" - so that when they do get rid of Parliament they are ready to control the masses who protest.

Parliament seems to have given up opposing the Government - Labour MPs are afraid of the "little red books" which are held by the hierarchy that keep them in line on big votes like today.

Democracy has probably been dead for years in reality in the UK - it is now that the "one party" state is confident enough to actually go public.

I was quite happy during those 18 years of Tory government. I never had a problem with them until they ousted Mrs Thatcher.

Many parties field enough candidates to form a government, so there is plenty of choice. We have a virtual two party system mainly because most voters keep it that way by settling for the 'same old'.

Each Government will do well for its "consituent" voters. Though the current Government is certainly the Government of Criminals and Chavs in my view.

But since Thatcher we have seen a slide into greed dominated politics ( which she may not have envisaged in her defence - but which political commentators warned would happen ) and the current "no choice" situation.

For instance ALL three major parties hold the same views on Europe - Banking systems - immigration - and many other things. It is harder to spot the differences.

The difference between the way Government has run since 9.11 Worldwide is that a Global Agenda has emerged - driven by the G7 and their backers. This HAS to be the NWO. Their plans are well documentated from the 50s and 60s - and now these plans are coming to fruition. I know their ultimate aim is unclear - but it seems to revolve around ever increasing wealth for a few at the expense of the many. I suppose some left leaning would call this the ultimate desire of a capitalist system - but I dont think this is necessarily true.

When debate is ended - as is happening in UK 2008 - that is when all vestiges of democracy are over. We have a "shell" of democratic pretence in the UK. We dont have proper free speech and we dont have any choice in who governs us. Tories are BETTER than Labour but they are not different animals.

Coming from an old style Labour family where everyone worked for the party, obviously I couldn't bear Maggie but it's even worse..the roots of the current meltdown in the financial markets are in the Thatcher/Reaganomics era.

Thatcher's statement "there is no such thing as society" summmed up her attitude and policies as she set about demolishing British manufacturing and breathing new life into the city where the wide-boys in their BMW's and capacity to make a quick buck were promoted as the coming gods to worship.. the deal was all that mattered..style over substance.

30 years is a short time in history and that's how long it's taken to reach the disaster of today.

I was taken in by Tony Blair like many people, but it didn't take long for my honeymoon with him to end. As soon as I saw him immediately reverse Labour's anti-privatisation stance, and instead put it into high gear with every state asset being sold off at bargain prices, I knew we'd been had.

Thatcher is of course, Tony Blair's hero.

I see the current Labour Party (with little difference in the Conservatives) as the natural heirs to the Oswald Mosley fascists and the many in high places in Britain before 1939 who admired Hitler's economic miracles.

But Thatcher was mild compared to Blair/Brown.

When Mrs Thatcher said that there was no such thing as society she was making an observation, and she was right. Even in the 80s true society was a thing of the past. People didn't communicate or work together in the same ways they used to. This was already the situation when she came to power, but people locked onto her words in a negative way, as they did with many other of her words. People often quote her as saying that everything was going to work out fine, but they ignore the first part of her sentence - if we all work together. Of course we didn't all work together, because there was no such thing as society.

Even today Mrs Thatcher is blamed for the various ills of the world. Her government took years to repay the debt created by the previous Labour admin. Now we have had Labour again for over a decade and, from day one, they have built up debt. This is why we are in this economic mess. Brown borrowed and built his economy on credit. Debt spiralled out of control, and when the world recession came upon us we had no reserves to fall back on. Brown has been like a teenager with a stack of credit cards, using one to pay off the other, knowing that somebody else (the tax payer) will shoulder the main burden once he's finished. To blame Mrs Thatcher for that is completely bonkers.

veritas wrote:
Coming from an old style Labour family where everyone worked for the party, obviously I couldn't bear Maggie but it's even worse..the roots of the current meltdown in the financial markets are in the Thatcher/Reaganomics era.

Thatcher's statement "there is no such thing as society" summmed up her attitude and policies as she set about demolishing British manufacturing and breathing new life into the city where the wide-boys in their BMW's and capacity to make a quick buck were promoted as the coming gods to worship.. the deal was all that mattered..style over substance.


Well said Veritas. You are spot on - it was the Thztcher government that laid the foundations for the crappy mess we are now in. They decimated so many industries and promoted and set into place the selfish "me me me" mentality where Profit was King.... and of course senior members of her Government all made sure they profited out of all these schemes and sell offs.

Everybody seems to forget the financial chaos and misery THEY caused where the housing market slumped big time and the dreaded "yuppie" culture even took a dive since they were encouraged to spend spend and spend.

For working class people it was devastating as entire livelihoods and businesses were wiped out. By the time they finished their reign of terror in 1997, the experts said the Tories had created such a mess it would take the next Government AT LEAST 20 years to get anywhere close to resolving the mess.

All Blair did was continue what Thatcher started. He destroyed the entire ethics of what Labour once stood for to the degree he was simply a Tory in disguise, hence there is now very little difference between Labour and the Tories.

Look at what would happen if any Tory dared to oppose Thatcher... they would swiftly be bullied and fired. Nothing was allowed to stand in Thatchers way and this is what has happened with this Labour government... oppose Blair and Browns' policies and they'll find a way to set you up and destroy you using the Media and various underhanded means.

But whilst Blair and Brown between them have destroyed Great Britain and led us to the mess we are now all in, it was Thatcher and her cronies who set all of this into motion in the first place.

It depends whether you think government debt is a bad thing-which I don't.

A government going into debt is no different than a person taking out a mortgage to buy a house. And a government has the guaranteed income from tax to service it's debt.

Reaganism/Thatcherism-Nu Labour..all peas in the same pod. Glorification of the corporate sector above all else and worshiping at the feet of the dreaded Milton Friedman...abandonment of government regulations over private business.

George Bush and Tony Blair were Thatcher on steroids, speeding up the process until a few months ago when the house of cards collapsed..as it would inevetably do.

The main problem for Britain is who will pull it out of the mess ? Brown..Cameron..is there a difference ?.
The US has it's shining night on a white horse in Barack Obama who will spend spend spend.

So who really has power then ? I agree with you all - Thatcher started the process with Reagan - and Blair speeded it up. However, the "big brother" state is being introduced GLOBALLY - and BROWN is leading the way in the UK.

We dont have any choice - though to get BROWN out at least may slow down the Big Brother state - and I totally agree that the current Labour Party is a fascist party in the mould of a "one party state".

Their policies are akin to those of National Socialism. For Jews substitute Muslims. For lebenstraum subsitute defence against terror. For Ministry for Propaganda subsitute the "spinners - Campbell and Mandy" - but it goes deeper than that. For World Domination include G7 and the EU and a one world currency - army - global economy.

If fascists tried to grab power again then they would do it through economic booms and busts - not war. It is not possible to rule the World at the point of a gun. It is better to persuade people it is their best interests to COMPLY with the NWO. Who offer - a. Protection from terror b. protection from climate warming and total destruction c. protection from paedos d. more money than any other system. These are things they create on our TV screens and newspapers - then they offer the SOLUTION.

That is why many people support fascism in the UK. They have been brainwashed into believing it by News INternational and the BBC.

Nothing was allowed to stand in Thatcher's way?
If that was so, she would never have been replaced.

My hubby is a staunch Conservative voter. For almost four years, between 1988 and 1992 he was unemployed, but he still supported the Tories. He was always in favour of the poll tax. Our local town thrived under Thatcher, with many new business opening up. Only since 1997 have things gone into decline.

It's easy to blame someone else. If we are to say that it takes 20 years for economic policies to take effect, then we could blame the Tory economic slump on the previous Labour government. It could all get very silly.

Labour have been in power for 11 years, and they must take responsibility for their own actions. If the Tories or Lib Dems are in power I would be saying the same. Stop passing the buck.

The current economic crisis is BROWN's creation - by his policies of Banking Deregulation and selling the Gold and then allowing sub prime to be grown from the UK ( even if it did hit the USA the hardest )

I think that on the basis that Labour has had since 1997 and we are not seeing any real return on the growth in terms of better public services ( Look at Baby P ) then I would say vote for anyone but them next election.

But I still thing that the whole picture is alot more complex than just a two party squabble.

I think Thatcher was replaced because her own party decided she was bonkers and they would lose the next election with her still as PM.

Hence the new guy, John Major had to be given pleny of time to settle in. It wasn't about policies but winning elections .

It isn't a fast and fixed rule..that it takes 20 years for an economic decisions to surface and finally do their damage..it's more that both Reagan & Thatcher adored the policies of Milton Friedman who claimed the market should be allowed to self-regulate and the market would eventually find it's own feet and should be allowed complete and unfettered access, that unions were just a hindrance even to their own members.( Blair must have thought so as he continued upon the same course as Thatcher..I shall never forget his many speeches in Opposition proclaiming the evils of 'privatisation' and then dumnping his ideas immediately upon election )

It's one reason why I think the great 'bail-out' should have never happened..that the Friedman experiment should have been allowed to run it's full course
..and if that meant banks, corporations-the lot going to the wall then so be it. Instead we have this complete cop-out where the Brown government ( doing as Bush has and as Reagan and Thatcher would have)adopted socilaism for the corporate sector and bugger the rest of us. And even then there has been no honesty with the 'bail-out'..just more atempts to turn it to private managers advantage and make the taxpayer pay twice , thrice, whatever they can get away with.