Now it was running through my brain about the BNP's constant media attention in newspapers like The Sun that give it so much negative publicity, the public will end up hating it.

Brown obviously cannot handle the current recession, everyone is out of jobs, don't know about you Jonathan, but i haven't got one

Would the BNP benefit this country in the short run in regards to Immigration, or will it ever succeed and become another Nazi Party.

I have been thinking the same thing for sometime when I was laid of in November from a Greek building firm which hired 60 workers in total it had Polish, Romanian, Czechs and about 10 English.

I felt discriminated when I was told the news by a Polish foreman that have the right to work in this country and if I went to Poland I wouldn't even get a job or benefits.

The policies of the BNP aren't racist as the tabloids would have you believe, although Nick Griffin is undoubtably a racist. Policies like
Making companies who use outsourcing pay more tax and having more control over immigration are in my opinion sensible policies, and they would benefit the working classes who's wages have been depressed by outsourcin

However a complete block on immigration would be too extreme.

andrew wrote:


I felt discriminated when I was told the news by a Polish foreman that have the right to work in this country and if I went to Poland I wouldn't even get a job or benefits.

I don't believe that's true- you'd get the same benefits there as they get here.

The thing is, people in the UK do not learn foreign languages which automatically limits their ability to go and work abroad.

MadCulture wrote:
Now it was running through my brain about the BNP's constant media attention in newspapers like The Sun that give it so much negative publicity, the public will end up hating it.

Brown obviously cannot handle the current recession, everyone is out of jobs, don't know about you Jonathan, but i haven't got one

Would the BNP benefit this country in the short run in regards to Immigration, or will it ever succeed and become another Nazi Party.

Of course some amount of short-termism could benefit the country.
Removing immigrants,leaving the EU,protectionism etc are populist policies.They could in theory be of some benefit.
Problem being is that these are the tip of the iceberg.Hitler started off like this,and this is what you'll get if you go down the BNP route.It'll be nasty,very very nasty.
It would make more sense for traditional parties to make it less easy for immigrants,including removing the current over generous welfare payments that have them queing in Calais.
We could also come out of the common fisheries policy that has almost destroyed the sea's abundant life.
We can be strong,but fair,without having to resort to a fasciast solution to a problem begging for a dose of sensible economics.
The BNP,like the NF before them in the 70s are not the answer to our current problems.Nor unfortunately is Gordon Brown.

robbiex wrote:
The policies of the BNP aren't racist as the tabloids would have you believe,

Not sure I get what you mean by that- could you explain?

For me there is no acceptable levelof racism. It is wrong on all counts.

I don't think the policies are racist at all, to any level. Racism is treating people of another race differently. Controlling immigration is ensuring that the immigration of people of any race is restricted so as to benefit the economy.

then how do you explain this? :

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8011878.stm

"The BNP manual, leaked to the anti-fascist group Searchlight and seen by the BBC, says that "BNP activists and writers should never refer to 'black Britons' or 'Asian Britons' etc, for the simple reason that such persons do not exist".

"These people are 'black residents' of the UK etc, and are no more British than an Englishman living in Hong Kong is Chinese.

"Collectively, foreign residents of other races should be referred to as 'racial foreigners', a non-pejorative term... The key in such matters is above all to maintain necessary distinctions while avoiding provocation and insult."

The manual describes the BNP's "ultimate aim" as the "lawful, humane and voluntary repatriation of the resident foreigners of the UK".

If the BNP is not racist, then why is it trying to draw distinctions on racial grounds? what is their aim in doing so?

to try and tell a young black kid that he is somehow a "foreigner" in the country where he was born and has always lived?

Again I ask, what is their aim in doing so?

The UK is a big ethnic mixture going back centuries. I bet Nick Griffin is not 100% British if you go back far enough. Question is, how far do you go back? And also, I think it is quite convenient when someone can be singled out because of the colour of their skin- many people of non-British, or mixed ancestry cannot be identified as such as their skin is white.

This document has nothing to do with immigration, and all to do with racial purity, and we know where that can lead.

And don't get me started on the BNP's views on gay people.

The BNP favour the re-criminalisation of homosexuality.

They also want to ban Muslims from flying into or out of the UK, creating a Muslim no-fly zone.

They also favour the death penalty for paedophiles, even though this is the area with the most unsafe convictions due to there be no burden of proof.

So, the BNP are a reactionary party with limited intelligence. Even worse than Labour in my opinion.

These people are 'black residents' of the UK etc, and are no more British than an Englishman living in Hong Kong is Chinese.

I'm not a supporter of the BNP, I was just saying that their extremism is exagerrated by the tabloids and fuels political correctness and encourages the mass immigration that Gordon Brown has allowed.


The question of what British is, is very subjective. Should been able to answer a series of general knowledge questions about Britain make you british (i.e. the citizenship test), I don't think so. I've worked for a company in Harrow that employs 90% asian workers in IT. How are young people suppossed to get on the career ladder when their wages are been under-cut by foreign workers.

I think that the comment at the top is difficult to argue with. Would you regard Cliff Richard as Indian because he was born and raised in India, probably not. However you would probably regard Emile Heskey as British, I imagine you would. Why should it be different.

The working classes of this country need protecting from cheap labour from abroad.

robbie I don't argue with your concerns over immigration- I don't share them but I appreciate that you are concerned.

the thing is, if you are going to tell ablack person born here who has never known another country that they are a racial forigner, then what do we tell ex-Conservative leader Michael Howard, whose parents were Romanian, that he should be voluntarily repatriated to a country far away in Eastern Europe where he has never lived? And what of Michael Portillo? and many others....

Personally, if I were thinking of voting BNP and read the document referred to above I would be concerned as to how this mindset is affecting their policies- after all they are saying this for a reason. Why are they saying this?

Presumably they would also say that all Brits living in Spain or France should be repatriated here, or that white South Africans, whose ancestors go back a few hundred years there, be repatriated to the Netherlands or the UK?

I don't understand why they are making racial distinctions....

I don't think anyone is advocating repatriation of resident foreigners. This is not something the BNP or anyone else openly saying. The BNP are never going to get into government, so they wouldn't have this power to do this even if they wanted to. The most they are going to get is seats on the council, or at best one or two mps.

You say that you are not concerned about immigration? The population is now 60million, would you be happy if it went to 70 million, even though we already have extreme housing shortages and lack of greenfield land. Would you be happy to see your job outsourced, I imagine you are in some form of job that is immune from such a thing, hence the lack of concern.

robbiex wrote:
I don't think anyone is advocating repatriation of resident foreigners. This is not something the BNP or anyone else openly saying.

yes they are.

I note that the BNP are note reportimg the numbers of Polish people leaving the UK.

Some interesting points on the death penalty for Pedophilia, and making homosexuality illegal. I think many people would FAVOR the death penalty for Pedophiles, yet for Homosexuality, DE-criminalization would cause uproar and I'm sure we would make very many enemies.

But the Muslim problem speaks for itself, i favor for the BNP in regard to leaving the EU and possibly sending some unwanted guests back home because literally we have no room here anymore. I think this country has basically given up itself as a haven for foreigners despite we are a very small country!

Well I'm going to vote for BNP for now on something needs to be done to protect the working class from cheap labor and save jobs from being cut.

People come to this country and don't a clue about our culture or heritage or don't bother talking the our lingo.

We need to do checks on who comes in to our green and pleasant land deport the criminals has it will also save on tax and prison space.

Why should the public support them if went to the country we get fuck all from their government.

worse than Labour ? Now that is damning !

The current Labour Party is not the same party I and my family grew up with and supported although there are still many fine MPs and workers in it. I only hope they are working from within for change.

I think we are all capable of racism to a certain degree but it's whether you act upon it that defines if you are a "racist" or not.

My background is mostly solidly Scots for generations (annoyingly to the point my father was proficient with the bagpipes and played them -often ) although my mother was a Polish Jew. Yet she could be virilently anti-Semetic at times. I never questioned her on it..I always assumed it was because she was anti-Judaism but as she got older she became very anti-Asian, trotting out the usual falsehoods.

I think she just needed an enemy and the "natural" one for her-anyone with a hint of Nazism was maybe to painful to even think about.

Yet on a one to one basis-she was incredibly kind to people no matter what their colour, backgorund or race.

As for the BNP-I once attended Knighstbridge Court with a gay Jewish friend who was on a drunk driving charge and he became fascinated to see that the leader of the forerunner of the BNP-Martin Webster of the National Front was also to face court on some charge.

When my friend's name was called out to go before the magistrate I had to rush into the other court and found him looking very pleased and with a fairly lustful look on his face.

He had gotten into the middle of a group of Webster's supporters..about a dozen young tatooed skinhead lads.

People are strange.

The UK benefit system is extraordinarily generous towards foreigners. The scam is that people from all over the world take up residency in the Netherlands or Portugal, where it is relatively easy to gain nationality. As soon as this is achieved and they are EU citizens, then it is straight to Britain and on the phone to register their benefit claim. We spend hundreds of millions annually on interpreters for this purpose.

That said, it is very worrying that people, even on an enlightened website like this one, would consider voting BNP. This really would be like making a pact with the devil. Not to be recommended, even as a short term fix. The mainstream parties really need to address the issue in the last paragraph with great urgency. It is dangerous to assume that a fascist party will never gain power in this country. Things would admittedly need to get far worse economically before the risk starts, but then they are likely to get far worse. This is how Hitler achieved domination.