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Another anti-child porn crusader jailed for downloading kiddie pics
TOPIC: Another anti-child porn crusader jailed for downloading kiddie pics
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Another anti-child porn crusader jailed for downloading kiddie pics 13 Years, 6 Months ago
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Re:Another anti-child porn crusader jailed for downloading kiddie pics 13 Years, 6 Months ago
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Quite a few interesting issues here that I'd like to chip in on.
The argument that looking at certain genres of porn turns the viewer into an afficionado of that genre is just plain wrong. Reactions to child porn might equally be strongly negative, ambivalent or indifferent. Marmite haters don't start to like it if forced to eat it on toast every morning do they???
By the same token, the police also believe that anyone who listens to a firebrand Islamic preacher or a right-wing activist will automatically agree and become a terrorist/nazi, therefore such people and their message should be outlawed. Well, excuse me, but I can choose for myself who and what I agree with and I don't want or need the state to decide for me.
My suspicion is that people working in child protection areas, like in many specialist units, are a little too seduced by the sensational or glamourous aspects: Walter Mitty types in some respects.
I don't agree that working full time in tough fields like child protection is necessarily destructive to the character. Hospice or oncology nurses, for example, find ways to deal with their jobs, and the vocational value may well counterbalance the the bad feelings. However, I DO agree with BR that generalised teams would be better, just to keep skills going on a rotational basis, and to maintain a reasonable perspective on life and society.
I also agree with BR that if underage sexual activity is illegal then it should be enforced as such. However, I think sexual relationships are a matter of personal choice, and the governing factor for when to start and what to do should be education, not the law.
At the moment, we have a twisted situation where a 15yr 11month old girl with a 20yr old boyfriend is being "abused" despite how happy she may be in the relationship. A month later, society has changed its mind, and suggests that sexiness and attractiveness are the most important qualities for the young lass. So young people are being told on one hand that healthy, enjoyable and safe sex is abuse (until they turn 16, whereupon it suddenly becomes ok), and on the other that they should be at it all the time.
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Re:Another anti-child porn crusader jailed for downloading kiddie pics 13 Years, 6 Months ago
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See also from last friday : www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-299939/...led-child-abuse.html
Here's another one :
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/chil...ng-girls-566538.html
And I'm sure everybody here remembers the anti-child porn senator Mark Foley.
At the moment, we have a twisted situation where a 15yr 11month old girl with a 20yr old boyfriend is being "abused" despite how happy she may be in the relationship. A month later, society has changed its mind, and suggests that sexiness and attractiveness are the most important qualities for the young lass. So young people are being told on one hand that healthy, enjoyable and safe sex is abuse (until they turn 16, whereupon it suddenly becomes ok), and on the other that they should be at it all the time.
That's indeed a huge contradiction, easily explained by the rise of feminism. Women want a society where they can do whatever they want with their bodies, but at the same time, they don't want to be competing with the flawless bodies of 16 year old girls.
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Re:Another anti-child porn crusader jailed for downloading kiddie pics 13 Years, 6 Months ago
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Blackit wrote:
That's indeed a huge contradiction, easily explained by the rise of feminism. Women want a society where they can do whatever they want with their bodies, but at the same time, they don't want to be competing with the flawless bodies of 16 year old girls.
Well yes, that would do it. Not a very convincing argument, but at least it's a start.
We should be very careful. There seems to be a rising tide here toward making excuses for those who believe that;
A. Sex with the underage is OK.
B. Child pornography is only a problem for those who seek to obliterate it.
It's a dangerous tide and this board would be the poorer should the wave ever hit the shore.
Let us try to understand, sure. But blaming feminism with the explicitly made reason that the motive is jealousy is limp {and probably very, very wrong} in the extreme. It should also be borne in mind that if this argument is intended to be taken as valid it might equally be argued that the views expressed by Blackit here are informed by exactly the opposite motives. Something I'm sure {at least I hope} isn't the case.
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Last Edit: 2010/11/16 14:57 By Locked Out.
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Re:Another anti-child porn crusader jailed for downloading kiddie pics 13 Years, 6 Months ago
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Locked Out wrote:
A. Sex with the underage is OK.
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I'm not sure anyone here thinks that, but I for one think that sex with the underage is not necessarily bad. At the moment, the message young people are getting is that perfectly happy and fulfilling sexual activity is "abuse" solely because it happens before their 16th birthday. No wonder there's so often a somewhat warped attitude to sexuality and relationships thereafter.
Blackit's argument about jealous feminists doesn't convince me. The situation seems to have arisen because it's just not been thought through properly with sufficient thoroughness and perspicacity.
My position on child pornography is this. There is no ethical basis for banning possessing or looking at such images, because it neither harms nor offends. Looking at a picture cannot cause physical harm and it's unlikely that it can be shown to lead causally to clinically definable mental disorders. Likewise, A cannot be offended by B in another location looking at images that are not to A's taste. I've posted before about how I dislike the notion of banning things because some people just dont like them.
However, the act of creating child porn images may cause harm to the subject of the image, and for that reason I believe this should not be permitted. Likewise, paying for images should be prohibited because it may perpetuate situations that might be causing harm to the subject of images being created. Of course, creating cartoons or pseudo images harms no one, nor do snaps of children running around naked on holiday at the beach.
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